There were a number of Watchtower doctrines I had rejected over the years. But that wasn't enough.
One day I realized I really didn't want my children or my non-Witness friends to be(come) Witnesses.
And then I wondered why that was...
bennyk
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What Made You Question "The Truth"?
by minimus inin the the early 1970's, i used to enjoy going to assemblies, conventions and hear special talks given by bethel heavies.. in those days, we were believers and we applied ourselves as "ministers" with pride.. once the "end" was obviously not within our "generation", many of us started losing interest.. we started to think more critically.
it took a long time but once you start recognizing the bullsh*t, it's hard to stay in and truly believe at the same time.. .
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I may have just awaken my mom, so strongly she is throwing up....
by EndofMysteries ini have no idea what is going to happen but they had been shunning me and i called to tell her what i see in the scriptures about the faithful slave.
all of it up to the very end she said okay what's the point, the scripture at the very end is what triggered it.
but read it all in order.
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bennyk
(Recycled old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)
W 01. April 1986 QfR:
Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?
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For Recovery: A discussion about the Great Crowd and the Other Sheep
by Londo111 inrecovery,.
as requested, a discussion on the great crowd and the identity of the other sheep.. .
first question: where are the great crowd rendering sacred service day and night?.
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bennyk
First question: Where are the Great Crowd rendering sacred service day and night? The "Great Crowd" is in the naos ( en tw naw ) according to Rev. 7:15.
The naos itself is specifically stated to be in Heaven in Rev. 11:19; 14:17; and 15:5. Ergo, the "Great Crowd" serves in Heaven.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-19-2012 WT Review (SERVICE)
by blondie ingods servants = only jws.
with the people of god rather.
dedicated servants of jehovah only jws.
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bennyk
The end of the present system of things is imminent.
Don't buy green bananas!!!!!!!!
(Thanks, Blondie.)
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Crisis of Conscience, Apostacy and the Antichrist
by konceptual99 ini've just finished reading coc and it's truely a thought provoking book that's given me much to think about.. one thing that has struck me is the way rf was disfellowshipped and how he tried to reason with the elders on the jc.
a key point of reasoning was that how the elders could define the disassocated one he ate with as "the antichrist" or one practicing the things described in 1 cor 9. apparently the elders either remain silent on the matter or said it was not for them to judge.. i thought the reasoning was really sound but i have been doing some checking on the definition of apostacy and the antichrist according to the society and it seems pretty clear to me that anyone guilt of apostacy becomes part of the antichrist.
characteristics of apostacy as defined in the it-1 book are described as follows:.
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bennyk
Yet, when the shoe is on the other foot...
The Watch Tower Society also other things to say about "antichrists". When defending the Organisation against the accusations of the Greek Orthodox Church the Watchtower stated: "What does the Bible say of 'antichrist'? At 1 John 2:22 it states: 'Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.' Thus, the plain fact of God's inspired Word is that an antichrist does not accept Jesus. But Jehovah's Witnesses do! ... So anyone who says that Jehovah's Witnesses are 'antichrist' either is badly misinformed, is blinded by prejudice, or has evil motive." (Watchtower, 01. December 1986, pp.5-6)
Clearly, the Watch Tower Society likes having it both ways...
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Candace Conti v. Watchtower Society - Closing Argument by WTBTS Attorney
by jwleaks injane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .
jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .
mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.
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bennyk
The Jehovah's Witnesses Church is not the Catholic Church, that it has had verdict after verdict after verdict over the years. It's been in the press. We are all aware of it.
Yes, you were very aware of it. You admit it. And your knowledge of it makes you more culpable, not less. You knew full well the implications of doing nothing whatsoever to protect the children from these predators. But you chose to do nothing.
You disgust me.
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Was There Ever A Poster Here That Realy Was a Watchtower Spy?
by minimus insince some believe that watctower regularly observes this site,did you ever know of a watchtower double agent here?.
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bennyk
Caspian.
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Response to the notion that 'apostates like to pick at JHVH's organization'
by sd-7 ini was just thinking of something i read recently, a thread about the district convention talk, that mentioned how 'apostates' are always picking at 'the organization'.
i just had a thought about that.. pick up any copy of the watchtower or awake!
or any other publication the watchtower society publishes, and more than likely, in every single one of them, there will be several statements made against all other christian religions, all religions in general, or the scientific community so far as it conflicts with jehovah's witnesses' doctrines.
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bennyk
" The CatholicChurchoccupiesaverysignificantpositionintheworldandclaimstobethewayofsalvationforhundredsofmillionsofpeople.Anyorganizationthatassumesthatpositionshouldbewillingtosubmittoscrutinyandcriticism. " (Awake! 1984 8/22 p.28)
"Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism."
Except the Watch Tower Society, of course.
Even when they invite you to do so:
"Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" ( w72 4/1 p. 197)
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What do apostates really want?
by Mr Facts ini'm just wondering what the whole apostate propaganda is all about?.
do you think you can do some sort of justice to the wt for the pains they have caused you?, what actualy are your motives?.
i dont get it.
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bennyk
so how do you think internet peddlers could affect any change in any manner?.
By attrition. "Apostate" propaganda will prevent the Watch Tower Organisation from increasing in numbers and influence. (It is a great deal easier to keep people from becoming Witnesses than it is to help those already Witnesses to discover the truth about the Watch Tower Society.) Eventually, the Organisation will fade from the scene as their indoctrinated victims die without replacements.
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"Blunders that led to World War"
by Jeffro inon the watchtower.org site at the moment, they are featuring a link to an article that first appeared in the august 2009 awake!
that purportedly talks about how world war i began.. in jw make-believe land, world war i began suddenly, and was essentially a big surprise.
so it's interesting to note that the one of the most significant things that led to world war ithe first and second balkan warsare completely omitted from the article.
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bennyk
The Watch Tower Society is not known for its accuracy. Here is their claim:
5 From Bible chronology, Jehovah’s witnesses as far back as 1877 pointed to the year 1914 as one of great significance. The Watchtower as of March 1880 said: “‘The Times of the Gentiles’ extend to 1914, and the heavenly kingdom [of God] will not have full sway till then.” While they were not yet clear on just what the details would be, in the nearly four decades preceding 1914 they sounded the warning that the future for this present system would not be one of peace, security and prosperity for mankind, but that in 1914 the world would come to the greatest time of trouble ever. In 1897 the book The Battle of Armageddon, (at first entitled “The Day of Vengeance”) published by Jehovah’s witnesses, said that this trouble would be “more general and widespread, and more destructive, as the machinery of modern warfare signally suggests. Instead of being confined to one nation or province, its sweep will be over the whole world, especially the civilized world, Christendom.”
6 The momentous year of 1914 came, and with it World War I, the most widespread upheaval in history up to that time. It brought unprecedented slaughter, famine, pestilence and overthrow of governments. The world did not expect such horrible events as took place. But Jehovah’s witnesses did expect such things, and others acknowledged that they did. On August 30, 1914, the New York World said: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students’ . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914.‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the . . . evangelists.”
7 How could Jehovah’s witnesses have known so far in advance what world leaders themselves did not know? Only by God’s holy spirit making such prophetic truths known to them. True, some today claim that those events were not that hard to predict, since mankind has long known various troubles. But if those events were not hard to predict, then why were not all the politicians, religious leaders and economic experts doing so? Why were they telling the people the opposite? And why did they persecute Jehovah’s witnesses for telling things that were later seen to be the truth? ( The Watchtower 01. August1971 p.468 )
Here is what the Society actually printed regarding 1914 in their publication The Time is at Hand (1889):
How refreshing the prospect brought to view at the close of these seven times! Neither Israel nor the world of mankind represented by that people will longer be trodden down, oppressed and misruled by beastly Gentile powers. The Kingdom of God and his Christ will then be established in the earth, and Israel and all the world will be blessed under his rightful and righteous authority. […] True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved; but we are living in a special and peculiar time, the "Day of Jehovah," in which matters culminate quickly; and it is written, "A short work will the Lord make upon the earth." (See Vol. I, chap. xv.) In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1914. (p. 98f)
The final extinction of this counterfeit hierarchy, near the close of the "Day of wrath" and judgment already begun--which will close, as shown by the "Times of the Gentiles,"with the year A.D. 1914. (p.356)