yep... i always start with, "i was talking to someone today about..." he usually doesn't question it.
adelmaal
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You know when you have been on the forum to long when,,,
by kls inyou are talking to youre dub mate and you start telling them a story that you heard on the forum and they ask where you heard the story from.
of course the forum pops in your head and you have to think real quick of another source.
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I'm searching for answers....
by nedryerson ini have been studying your faith and i understand that you believe in the bible?
1. in revelation 1:8, it says, ?
?i am the alpha and the omega,?
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adelmaal
Welcome to the forum! Stick around. You will see many different topics here with the whole gammut of opinions.
A true Jehovah's Witness would be confused by your question and would run around in circles attempting to answer it in such a way that God and Jesus are not one and the same. I am guessing you realize that JWs don't believe in the Trinity doctrine and you are trying to draw them out by having them explain these scriputures to you.
Are you truly confused by these scriptures? Are you truly questioning whether or not the Trinity (meaning God and Jesus are one and the same) is a truthful doctrine? Or are you trying to debate it with a JW?
Personally, I believe God is the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end because he always existed. I believe Jesus is the First and the Last because he was God's first creation and he will always exist. Just my opinion. Not speaking as a JW since I left that religion quite some time ago.
If you have a legitimate question and are searching for an answer then by all means ask away. If your motivation is to trick a JW into debating doctrines with you then you are in the wrong place. Unless, of course, you want to strike up a conversation with Schizm. He'll debate with you until the cows come home.
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Discipline for Lying -- Opinions Please
by adelmaal inour daughter is 10 and she is in 4th grade.
she has been having a tough time this year with schoolwork and she has started early puberty (boobs, acne, pubic hair, crushes on boys, etc.).
recently, we have been having problems with her lying to us and making up stories/excuses.
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adelmaal
I thoroughly understand cancelling your daughter's birthday party for lying about a whole stack of stuff, but I'd put it this way: "Since you skipped detention, you're going to have detention at home." Then find her some useful stuff to do related to the schoolwork trouble she's having.
Great suggestion! I love creative parenting.
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Discipline for Lying -- Opinions Please
by adelmaal inour daughter is 10 and she is in 4th grade.
she has been having a tough time this year with schoolwork and she has started early puberty (boobs, acne, pubic hair, crushes on boys, etc.).
recently, we have been having problems with her lying to us and making up stories/excuses.
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adelmaal
So-called "laziness" is often, but not always, rooted in very subtle learning disorders that are hard to diagnose. You might brainstorm with her about
lazinesswhy schoolwork is so hard. Maybe she just can't focus on some things and the task just won't hold still so she can get a grip on it.I have thought about her possibly having some kind of learning disability causing her to have trouble staying focused. Her mind does tend to wander allot. Hopefully, we can get her diagnosed if this is the case.
Maybe my ex (her dad) has that same learning disability because you have to light a fire cracker under his butt to get him to do anything that takes a bit of effort . I always had a hard time getting homework done because it bored me so. I still aced my tests though and skated through with As and Bs. Maybe my daughter got the worst from both of us .
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Discipline for Lying -- Opinions Please
by adelmaal inour daughter is 10 and she is in 4th grade.
she has been having a tough time this year with schoolwork and she has started early puberty (boobs, acne, pubic hair, crushes on boys, etc.).
recently, we have been having problems with her lying to us and making up stories/excuses.
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adelmaal
I really thought I had seen too many American movies before I joined this board - but I guess it's really true, you guys see counselors over all kinds of things, seemingly at all ages, kinda strange.
i saw a therapist myself when i went through my divorce, disfellowshipping and exiting of "the troof". it helped me allot to have someone impartial to speak to about what was going on and she recommended some great self-help books. she was a good listener and really helped me to be able to get through a tough time in my life without beating myself up too much.
no stygma about therapists here. i personally only went for a period of a few months and that's the only time i've ever seen a counselor. my children have not been to one yet but i am at the point with my daughter where i am not afraid to ask for help from a professional who counsels children on a regular basis.
don't know if it's a difference in culture or not? we usually do have employee assistance plans her in the states which provide counseling to those who find a need be it for alcoholism, abuse, divorce, depression, etc.
i'll let you know if it helps with my daughter. the therapists i have been speaking to are MFTs (marriage family therapists) so i am hoping the one we see will help us to better be able to work with our daughter to get to the heart of what is really going on and work on it with her.
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Discipline for Lying -- Opinions Please
by adelmaal inour daughter is 10 and she is in 4th grade.
she has been having a tough time this year with schoolwork and she has started early puberty (boobs, acne, pubic hair, crushes on boys, etc.).
recently, we have been having problems with her lying to us and making up stories/excuses.
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adelmaal
It seems to me you made too many punishments for not a serious lie...........and yes, I do see degrees of lying.
i do agree that she was definitely feeling that the green ink pen all over her paper meant she did a bad job and was going to disappoint us. in the past we have told her that this teacher is way to critical and she should not worry so much about all the ink on her work. that's why it's surprising she even lied at all because she knows we think this particular teacher is to much a perfectionist.
in my mind if she does not see that little lies eventually lead to big lies and that lying can eventually get her and others into serious trouble then she will see no need not to lie to cover things over. right now it's lying about a school paper and later on it could be lying about doing drugs. i agree that there are degrees of lying but at what point do you crack down on it?
maybe i should backtrack. here's what happened the time she lost out on her birthday party.
open book quiz at school. she didn't bother to look up the answers to the questions (she knows how to read but sometimes does have issues with grasping the concept behind what she reads). teacher had them each grade their own papers. my daughter got pretty much every answer wrong because she just wrote whatever came to mind (she said she was just being lazy and didn't feel like looking up all the answers). teacher had the children grade their own tests then went around the room and asked for the scores from each child. my daughter said, "99%". teacher called her up to the front knowing it was not true and gave her a detention for lying/cheating on her quiz. teacher sent home a note regarding detention, which my daughter did not show anyone. my daughter did not go to detention. teacher called home. to everyone involved this was not a minor issue. my daughter needed to know that it is not ok to cheat and lie to her teacher and then not be honest about her detention.
while i can understand why she did what she did that still does not make it ok. i can see that getting to the heart of the matter and finding out why she is behaving this way is important and at the same time i also believe in consequences for our actions.
i'm not sure taking away her overnight this weekend with her friends was that extreme. she is still going to her all day cheerleading event this saturday and it was already 8:00p by the time we sent her to her room with no tv, etc. she read a book or two and went to bed.
i do want her to learn something from this though and that is why i was thinking that if she wrote a paper talking about honesty and how important it is that we trust one another it might help her to see why it hurts us when she lies.
i think the therapist suggestion was a great one though because she is definitely going through a host of things this year between being in two different households, starting puberty, stressing about schoolwork and friends, etc.
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Discipline for Lying -- Opinions Please
by adelmaal inour daughter is 10 and she is in 4th grade.
she has been having a tough time this year with schoolwork and she has started early puberty (boobs, acne, pubic hair, crushes on boys, etc.).
recently, we have been having problems with her lying to us and making up stories/excuses.
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adelmaal
i have been on the phone trying to find a counselor who deals with children today. i have received some referrals and i have left some messages. i would my daughter to be able to talk to someone about what is going on and how she is feeling so we can better help her out with the drama she's been experiencing this year.
it just does not seem she should be already going through the stage where she gets caught cheating, half-asses her school work, lies about detention, etc. she's only 10 years old for pete's sake!
it just makes it that much harder that she lives in two households and we cannot control what goes on when she is with her dad and all his jw relatives. i'm sure the expectations are high over there. i was not raised in "the troof". i started studying as a teenager so i have a hard time relating to what it must be like to have that kind of pressure. not to mention the fact that they do not instill a great attitude when it comes to school.
thanks for all your advice
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Father told me about the elders school a couple years ago about this topic.
by Greyeyes inbecause my now ex wife was molested by her dad back in the 60's (while he was an elder), my dad and i were talking when he got back about how the issue of molestation was heavily discussed.
he also tol dme that the society's stand on it had always been that of that it must be reported to the athorities.
that there had been a problem for too long of local elders being the ones to sweep it under the carpet, to protect a friend.
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adelmaal
If there was something I could do I would. I live in another state and this was conveyed to me by my sister who knew the people involved. I wasn't there,nor did I know the people involved, so couldn't be much of a witness. The people who are there aren't talking to me anymore, so who in the heck knows what is going on. It is all very frustrating. My first hand evidence was what my sister told me the elders said to her--she didn't make that part up I know that much of her.
CS: Could you not anonymously call the local authorities and let them know you have heard allegations of child abuse. Provide them with your sister's name, address, etc. and let them know she refuses to discuss it with you further due to religious reasons but you would like them to follow up on it? Possibly, she mentioned the names of others who are privvy to the situation. Possibly the police could inform her that it is her civic duty to come forth with the information if she is aware that a child is being abused. Just a thought...
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Thinking about Matt 4:21......
by jula71 ini was sitting and thinking of what to write in a da letter, as i've been inspired in a way by a letter i read today.
and one thought i am putting in, is that i have a clean, clear conscience because i believe a loving and understanding god would know that i choose this path due to honest and sincere feelings about the organization.
and i believe a loving god would not destroy a person based on that.
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adelmaal
the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will
Personally, I feel that scripture is saying that just because we say we are doing God's will does not necessarily mean that we are doing God's will. If we are content to do things because the WTBTS says we should do them then whose will are we actually doing? We may believe we are doing God's will and the WTBTS may reinforce that belief but we are actually doing man's will and not Gods. We must each build a personal relationship with God and come to grips with what we feel he wants from us; we should not rely on any man to define that relationship for us. It is a vain effort to follow the rules of men when what we actually need to do is look to God. If we see that doing God's will differs from what man is telling us then we need to adjust our beliefs and actions to align them with God's will and not mans. For God to say, "I never knew you" would mean you never attempted to have a personal relationship with him.
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At the Door
by AuntieJane ini think i was marked for a couple of yrs, but the jws are in our neighborhood these days.
i took a couple mags and gave my own little spiel (gently) a couple weeks ago.
i'm thinking next time...i will be prepared.
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adelmaal
Why do JWs react so negatively to the Lords Prayer?
Matthew 6:7 NWT - "But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words."
JWs do not believe in repeating the same prayers over and over again, which the Catholics seem to do with the Lord's Prayer. They believe that repeating the words over and over again merely serves to lose the meaning of the actual prayer, which was given to us as a model to follow when praying and not as something that we should just vainly repeat over and over again without grasping the meaning of the words.