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  Could they be the same?

  by seek2find in

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  i recently downloaded a version of the message bible in mp3 format and i noticed that the voice sounds a lot like one of the voices on the watchtower magazine mp3s.

  could they possibly be the same person?

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  I recently downloaded a version of the Message bible in mp3 format and I noticed that the voice sounds a lot like one of the voices on the Watchtower magazine mp3s. Could they possibly be the same person? seek2find
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  Banned expressions= Pioneers abused me for saying "that sucks or peeved"!

  by Witness 007 in

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  yes as a young man on 20 out witnessing with the special pioneers one brother said his bible study wasn't home...."oh that sucks" said i......well, you would have thought i said "that sucks balls" three pioneers completely freak out and as a "trinity" start telling me off...i didn't think it was a swear word....anyone else?.

  once the c.o used the term "peeved off" during his talk...well, everyone did research on the word to see if it was the same as "pissed off.

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  This was always a double standard that bothered me as a kid. I remember sitting in an assembly audience in Birmingham Alabama when I was very young, maybe 5 or six, and hearing one of the governing body members talking about the "Whore" of Babylon and using a few other borderline vulgar words. If we as rank and file would have used these words in everyday speech we would have been chastised. But it was OK for the GB. seek2find
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  Born again JW's?

  by free2beme in

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  i am sorry, but i just find it so hard to see a bunch of former witnesses doing the whole born again thing.

  acting in a way that is just trading one line of thought, for another.

  basically, one time you said you were waiting for the "new system" and now you pulled that thought out and replaced it with the "waiting for heaven" comment.

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  Well here I go, walking on thin ice. But I'll try to give you my perspective. Yes I do consider myself "Born again". Basically to me that term means to make a new start in a new direction. In my case it's in the direction of Christ and following him and not an organization. In your case, I think we could say that you were "born again" also, into a state of disbelief in the divine author of you life. Your post, and much of the overall tone of many post on this board as well as others, highlights why the Watchtower Society is so dangerous. That is because they get people so wrapped up in believing it's the truth, that when they leave, they leave behind not only their religion, but also any belief in a creator. They do what Ann Landers used to refer to as "throwing out the Baby with the bathwater" Just because we were born into or converted into a deceptive organization, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. It just means that a mistake was made, whether by us personally, or by our parents or Grandparents. Our story is not unique, it has been repeated in many different faiths down through the years. Whether you believe in God or not is a personal decision. But I wonder, if you are so sure of your way of thinking, and if this life is all there there is, why do you waste time asking others why they do believe? Wouldn't your time be better spent in pursuit of pleasure? The clock is ticking. Every second you waste is closer to the end of your life. Doesn't that thought depress you, if this is all there is? And won't it depress you even more the older you get? Sincerly, seek2find
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  What convinced you?

  by heybaby in

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  as far as doctrine goes, what finally convinced you that this isn't the truth?

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  In my earlier post in this thread I forgot to mention the most convincing thing to me was reading Hebrews chapter 11 and realizing that it was saying that the faithful men of old was looking forward to life in heaven and not on a paradise earth as we had been taught. In all the other Bibles I compared the end of verse 13 says that they "were aliens and pilgrims on the earth". Or something like that. When read in context and meditated on I think it's pretty clear that they were going to heaven. seek2find
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  What convinced you?

  by heybaby in

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  as far as doctrine goes, what finally convinced you that this isn't the truth?

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  Some scriptures about the Deity of Christ did it for me such as Isaiah 9:6 Titus 2:13 and a few others, but it took a while for the accumulation of other things also. Then the UN thing and the child abuse cover ups and the lack of love I was seeing. Seeing the town of Greensburg Kansas being wiped off the map and very little if anything being done to help the victims by the organization(because there wasn't many witnesses affected). We had been to a circut assembly in Pratt Kansas that weekend and had just driven through Greensburg that afternoon The day the Tornado struck. We had no idea we would never see it the same way again. After the storm almost every other church in my town did something to help the victims. We did nothing. I would have much rather some of our donated funds have gone to helping the victims rather than paying to settle the child abuse suits. That's it folks! That was the final straw. seek2find
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  What Gilead Taught ME

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  they mean the leadership.

  all of this is code for: one who is not ready to really study and accept how the leadership of jehovah's witnesses use the bible to their own self serving means.

  but to be fair, jw's teach that most all of these characters refer to the leadership of jehovah's witnesses, the governing body.

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  I appreciate what you have said. And I agree with you, that being a "mature" witness really means swallowing whatever comes from the leadership without questioning. I really like what you said about "Christ brothers" only being them. I seems so obvious to me now, that Jesus words in Matt. 25 seem to be talking about just average sincere people including children (like the poor and starving ones in Africa). Why else would he have used the term "The least of these my brothers" Anyway good post and hope to read more of your experiences. seek2find
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  How long before You tube is banned?

  by seek2find in

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  how long before the society bans members from you tube?

  like they did myspace.

  it's true they didn't outright ban it, but they heavily implied it was bad.

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  I wouldn't be surprised if it's tackled more indirectly rather than directly. Remember how the Sept 07 KM took on the subject on independent Bible study? I expect the same here. It would be an indirect subtlety worded message that didn't come out and condemn you-tube directly. Maybe in an article like "How do you spend your time?" In which the "dangers" of "spending excessive amounts of time" online and engaging in "creating videos" would be mentioned. Might even be incorporated in a meeting part or an assembly demonstration. I feel that all such efforts will be futile because the first place doubters are going to go for answers will be the internet. The Watchtower, as we no it, its days are numbered. seek2find
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  How long before You tube is banned?

  by seek2find in

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  how long before the society bans members from you tube?

  like they did myspace.

  it's true they didn't outright ban it, but they heavily implied it was bad.

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  The videos posted in the last couple of days got me to thinking it might be soon. Like the video of the guy named Brian in Connecticut who disassociated after some time being a JW apologist. And the one yesterday by the Band in New Orleans that did the music video about life in Paradise Earth. Even the positive videos I'm sure the Society frowns on. Remember the music disk that was being distributed a few years back that contained Kingdom songs preformed by modern artist and then an article came out in the KM that said the organization "did not approve" of them. They don't want the witnesses getting any spiritual encouragement or motivation anywhere except from them. They want complete control. Just like Warren Jeffs and Jim Jones seek2find
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  How long before You tube is banned?

  by seek2find in

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  how long before the society bans members from you tube?

  like they did myspace.

  it's true they didn't outright ban it, but they heavily implied it was bad.

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  How long before the Society Bans members from you tube? Like they did myspace. It's true they didn't outright ban it, but they heavily implied it was bad. I see the same coming about you tube. To much "dangerous" information there. Sorry if this has already been discussed. If so I must have missed it. seek2find
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  Please read condemnatory email sent to me and help me reply

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i received the following emails, one yesterday and the other today and thought you'll like to see an example of the positive and the negative messages i regularly receive through webmaster at my website, watchtower documents, llc, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.. .

  here's the negative message:.

  "i must say that after reading your biography, i am shocked.

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  I agree with what Minimus said earlier in this thread. If I were you, I'd write her back and tell her how glad I am to see that she's at least was open minded enough to read some of your material. I think I would ask her some thought provoking questions, to see if I could stimulate her thinking a little more. Maybe something like: "In the Bible the Person who became the Apostle Paul was very dedicated to the Organization of his time. So much so that he even engaged in much hatred and violence defending it. But did that make him right?(see Acts 8:1-3 and Phil 3:6)" I think I would keep it upbeat, and not be critical of her. Dale Carnagie said in his book "How to win friends and influence people" that criticizing never works because it just puts the person on the defensive. I believe he was correct. The reactions of many here who read her comments seem to confirm his statement. "Criticisms are like homing pigeons, they always return" In contrast, Love for others seeks a different course. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." 1 Cor 13:4,5 (NIV) seek2find