When I was a dub I would have said we have faith in the divine appointment because we are the only ones fulfilling biblical prophecy.
Posts by kazar
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21Why did you then and dubs now have faith in the divine appointment?
by Check_Your_Premises ini asked a dub this question, and have heard similar things in the past.
if i asked a dub why they believe in the divine appointment of the watchtower as jehovah's one and only organization i think they would answer in the following way.. 1. because of the success of the org, and all the info they put out, and the preaching work.
it has to be divinely directed, there is no other explanation.. 2. because of how well what the org teaches matches up with the bible.. 3. there has to be one true religion!
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Ex-jw who joined as adults: How did you come to trust your own conscience?
by Check_Your_Premises insorry no raised-a-dub responses here!
just ex-jw who joined as adults.
on another thread i pointed out the idea that most jw who join as adults, do so out of a need to compensate for or as a reaction to some bad experiences such as physical abuse, sexual abuse, a time of upheaval, or just a plain old poorly developed sense of self.
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kazar
1. I was 17 when I joined the Witnesses. Although I was chronologically a teen, the fact that I had two children by that age compels me to list myself as an adult. I always had doubts from the time I joined Jehovah's Witnesses. Although I believed it all, I could not dispel the doubts I had, especially about evolution, psyciatry, the universe, etc. I was in the world more than I was with Jehovah's Witnesses because I was raising three children alone and had to work and more doubts arose as to why people who were genuinely kind to me, however worldly would lose their lives at Armageddon. I despised field service, and the Witnesses bored me.
2. I was disfellowshipped because I confided in a Witness sister I was close to that I did not want to live forever. I had lost infatuation with the idea of eternal paradise. I had tried for reinstatement several times but never made it back to them because I couldn't keep going to the Kingdom Hall for every meeting. I had to work and did not have a car to take my children.
3. It took 15 years for me to completely abandon the beliefs holding me captive.
4. As for my departure (by that I mean having finally a free mind), it was this board that opened my eyes in February, 2005. I did not have a computer until then and knew nothing of the internet.February, 2005.
5. I have grown as a person since February and no longer need the security of all the answers. I had been growing all along by nurturing my doubts. It just took the experience of this board to confirm it.
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Going into hospital for 5-7 days for eeg observation in sacto.
by avishai inso if any of you down that way wanna drop by and say hi, drop me a pm!!
i'm gonna be going in tomorrow and bored outta my mind!
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kazar
Avishai, sorry to learn you are going in to the hospital. I can't be there physically, but I'll be there in spirit. Best wishes!
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35 Yrs ago today - We rocked!
by Amazing1914 indoes this sound like the jw organization you know today?
yes, on july 17th, 1970, my wife and i were baptized as jws at the "men of good will" district assembly (convention today), at the oakland, california coliseum - where the raiders play.
nearly 70,000 attended, and over 750 were baptized ... and it all made the news in the san francisco chronicle & examiner and other newspapers and radio stations.
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kazar
Dave, you are just too darn funny. Can't stop laughing. Should sleep good tonight.
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35 Yrs ago today - We rocked!
by Amazing1914 indoes this sound like the jw organization you know today?
yes, on july 17th, 1970, my wife and i were baptized as jws at the "men of good will" district assembly (convention today), at the oakland, california coliseum - where the raiders play.
nearly 70,000 attended, and over 750 were baptized ... and it all made the news in the san francisco chronicle & examiner and other newspapers and radio stations.
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kazar
Good post, Dave, and funny! (Monks pummeling with tofu burgers). I feel much better after I've had that laugh. Guess I'm really screwed up, fighting off two religions. I am still trying to help my children cope with the real world (or maybe it's me). Heck, I don't know. I just know it's good to be on this forum where everyone can express their opinions freely.
of the (post on JWD for therapy class).
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Hi everybody
by Cellist inwe "faded" more than a decade ago.
at least, we began to fade.
it took a few years before they gave up on us.
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kazar
Welcome Cellist. Glad to have you here and hope we hear more from you.
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35 Yrs ago today - We rocked!
by Amazing1914 indoes this sound like the jw organization you know today?
yes, on july 17th, 1970, my wife and i were baptized as jws at the "men of good will" district assembly (convention today), at the oakland, california coliseum - where the raiders play.
nearly 70,000 attended, and over 750 were baptized ... and it all made the news in the san francisco chronicle & examiner and other newspapers and radio stations.
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kazar
Jim, thank you for your post. Yes, I remember well the pre-1975 excitement of being one of Jehovah's Witnesses and waiting for the Big A. I was really in anticipation. Your story is so similar to mine. I was also raised a Catholic and endured the same ridicule, march in processions, (May Procession, Graduation, Holy Communion and other Holy Days in Spring and Summer). Having to sell candy which no one would buy from me living in a poor parish. Having my friends, (most of them non-Catholic) make fun of me in my uniforms going and coming from school. The practically all day catechism, making us go to confession straight from school where I could be seen by my friends. Remember the "pagan babies", we had to buy? Try telling that story to a Protestant. The uniforms were so hideous, one could never be cool. I hated it so, that I began skipping school, for which I was expelled. And the anguish of my mother over this! I could go on and on.
What I did to escape was get married at 15, had two kids by 17 and then I met the Witnesses and converted. I of course brought my kids up in the Witness religion for a few years for which one of them blames me now at his mispent youth (not celebrating Christmas, etc.) It is true what he says; however, this is what I tell him:
"Get the hell over it"! I did.
Guess I'm of the "don't want no religion class"
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Link between BTG and Roman empire seeking information
by Ticker incan someone who knows about this please elaborate as i have never heard this explanation.
i had no idea that their was a possibility that john was depicting babylon the great as figurative to rome.
this is new to me but very interesting, can someone please provide some references or examples as to how this is probable.
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kazar
I hope I don't confuse the issue more, but there is a book called "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hyslop which depicts that Rome, as personafied by the Pope to be Babylon The Great and is given the 666 number by means of a complicated system as confusing as the Witnesses interpretation. The Witnesses used to quote from this book for various reasons, usually to condemn Catholicism and bolster their interpretations. It has been many, many years since I read it and I hope it is the question you are asking. You may be able to find it in the library.
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Could we be right, and they be right too?
by JH inis it possible that just about everything we say about the jw's on this forum is true, but on the other hand they would be the only true religion that god approves, even though they are imperfect and make errors?
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kazar
JH, I am getting a headache to know that you are plagued by the same obsessive thoughts that I am. I will read the answer posts to your question to try to figure this out.
from the (all along the watchtower class)
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Dysfunctional XJWs???
by SYN inby [syn], [email protected]
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dysfunctionality thats a big word!
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kazar
SYN, the post was spectacular! It is now July, 2005, I am new and just read it. Had a great time reading it. I was surprised to know Simon was not an XJW when he started here.