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Posts by besty
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127The End of Circuit Overseers
by scotsman inis indeed apparently nigh as another poster predicted along with the end of the weekly bs.
not sure when this should take place but i'm reliably informed by a family member that one of the uk's overseers was talking about it fairly recently.
reduced to weekend visits by an outside but local elder instead.. i have no further info..
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pro-witness website
by besty inwww.jwproclaimers.org.
anybody know what/who/why of this website?
all links require a username and password......
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besty
come on anasazi - don't give up now :-) all the lurking JW's on here are dying to hear your counterblast....
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Help me with research for video: "Evidence: The WT breaks up families"
by seattleniceguy ini'm interested in trying my hand at a youtube video.
i'd like to do a piece giving evidence that the wt actually breaks up families since, to my mind, this is one of their worst real offenses.
the outline will go something like this:.
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besty
Good luck Brian - why not contact http://www.nscfc.com/ given their current homepage story on this subject
http://poddy1.blogspot.com/ is a custom search engine I made that might make it easier for you to find the content you need - its specific to JW interest sites so tends to give high quality results.
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possible reason for end of BS?
by uriah init occurrd to me that maybe there was some independent thinking going on in the bs.
maybe the gb was afraid of small groups thinking too muchand having them all meet at the kh would put paid to any groups that were becoming a bit liberal.
as is known small bible study or at study groups were not allowed at bethel.
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besty
I think you can be sure its not a standalone decision. It will be linked with recent speculation surrounding the ongoing role of CO's and the position of PO's. My guess - PO and CO scrapped and replaced by a group of men similar to stand-in CO's - ie semi full-timers who have nothing better to do and are self-funded. Also elders + Mservants combined under one title, and all JC's handled by the stand-in semi men or their local lackeys.
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Photographs of old witness friends and Witness events. Do what with them?
by Thechickennest inmy family just took a stroll down witness lane this month as we searched for photographs that our graduating high school daughter needed for her display at her graduation party.
we have an immense file of photos of a previous life with the jw's.
in a way its a history of a former life.
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besty
Don't do anything that you may regret later - photos are precious.
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Dinner with Friends
by sweet pea injust wanted to post that besty and i had some guests over this weekend: dncall, whoknows and dagney.
it was a real pleasure to spend time with you - you are great people and very brave to have taken a stand and put your money where your mouth is.
it's been very painful coming to the realisation that everything we believed in has been a fairytale and as a result of calling "emperors new clothes!
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besty
If you're paying...
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pro-witness website
by besty inwww.jwproclaimers.org.
anybody know what/who/why of this website?
all links require a username and password......
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besty
Anasazi
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post - it's always good to see Jehovah's people defending their faith - I wish more of them were on here, but unlikely given the WTS ban on viewing sites such as these. Perhaps you may wish to start a new thread called "Why the WTS ban on visiting apostate discussion boards doesn't apply to me." I'd love to hear your reasoning on that subject.
Anyway let me try and address the points you are trying to make.
First, Jehovah's Witnesses is not a high control or controversial religious cult. If that were the case I would know it
The WTS is a high control group. They offer advice, suggestions and diktats on matters such as what to wear whilst at worship, what to wear in your leisure time, how to educate your children, what employment is suitable, what to do on vacation, how to plan your time for preaching activity, sexual practices in the marriage, what internet sites you can and cannot view, your choice of reading material - the list goes on and on and on. Compared to other Christian faiths in the mainstream, the WTS attempts a high degree of control under the guise of restoring pure Christian worship. This may have carried some weight were it not for the constantly changing standards and the tenuous link between how the Supreme Being Creator of the Entire Universe feels about whether I wear a tie to the meeting (or not).
Is the JW movement a cult? I beg you to educate yourself with some impartial reading material - Steve Hassan has written a couple of excellent books on the subject and is recognised as being a subject matter expert. Additionally the research work done by people such as Leon Festinger and Lifton has been enlightening people for over 50 years - this is not new information. The WTS fit Lifton's eight criteria for a thought reform group to a greater or lesser degree in each case - there is no shortage of information available on this subject - please don't tell me they are not a cult, "otherwise you would know". I find that argument demeaning to my intellect, insulting and spurious. Incidentally I love the way you used the 'appeal to authority' fallacy - in this case your own authority, without a hint of irony.
Secondly, people on this forum form their opinions by what happens to a handful of people and this that happens is not in line with the teachings of the religion.
I congratulate you on having the temerity (and disrespect) to assume to speak for the entire community of posters and viewers here on JWD. Last figure I heard was something in the order of 16,000 unique visitors per day. Hardly a handful, and in any case it matters not whether what happens is according to the teachings of the WTS - Jesus explained that by their fruits you shall know them. There is much bad fruitage exposed on this board, but you would belittle and humiliate the child abuse victims and deny the parents that have lost children to the blood fraction policy? Incidentally nice use of 'generalization' fallacy - its not often one sees an entire discussion forum community labelled so neatly.
And have you listened to all of the audio and read all of the messages. Until you have, then your opinion means squat.
36 District Conventions, 72 Circuit Assemblies and 7500 hours of assorted meetings enables me not to have to listen to any more WTS 'information'. If there is any specific WTS teaching that you would like the official 'truth' position on I'd be happy to help. Of course give me a clue by telling me what year you would like to know the 'present truth' for, as most things have changed over the years. But thanks for dismissing my opinion in such a Christ-like manner. "Come to me you who are loaded down....but your opinion means squat..." not quite the way the Bible captures Jesus sentiments. Incidentally nice use of classic ad hominem technique.
And why would you quote the watchtower.org anyway since you don't seem to believe in it?
Not really worth arguing this point - we all know that jwproclaimers.org is not the official site of the WTS and further to that, is not 'endorsed' see Sep 2007 KM for further details on why it is not 'endorsed'. In answer to your question I quoted the official website to address your false claim that jwproclaimers.org was in some way officially approved. Do you not see that the WTS edict banning jwproclaimers.org et al is yet another example of a high control group practicing information control? Incidentally nice use of 'red herring' fallacy - my belief, or otherwise, in WTS teachings is not really the issue here.
"not-for-profit religious publishing house". Huh? Where did you get that from? It is a for-profit printing house that puts that on. And the access is not restricted and it is encouraged. You need to remember that there are working people with JOBS behind that and it takes alot of time. The objective is not just to download but it is to participate in the group and learn from the others.
My apologies - I didn't understand that it was a money making enterprise. All the best with that business model - please send the owners my best wishes for profitable expansion. Thanks for the reminder that Internet users may also have jobs - I had no idea. Likewise I hope you don't just 'download' onto JWD but take the next step, and learn from the others.
I notice from your profile you have studied original bible languages - my congratulations on your ongoing efforts to master English as a foreign language :-)
Looking forward to your rebuttal - don't let me down :-)
Best regards
Paul Morrison
PS - Yes, Paul Morrison is my real name - I don't have to hide behind an anonymous username because I'm not in a high control cult.
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HLC Elder questions....
by besty ini am about to post some questions to a local hlc elder that i used to be friends with.
now, of course, we are no longer friends.
i want to post him information from the society's own literature and ask him questions as to why he continues in his role etc .
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besty
Tell them that transfusions of whole blood are rarely used in medicine anymore
I've read this a few times on JWD - is it possible to back this up with any published statistics?
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besty
I think the book for sale is entitled Confidential Letters to The BOE
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besty
I'm not privy to a timescale but if regional managers start to talk about it with rank and file staff members then it would appear to be imminent - just speculation on my part but the change in the CBS - Jan 2009 - would be a natural time to implement other related changes