@SBF
I would not describe socialization in a high control group from birth as coercion in itself.
seriously?
The threat of pissing of the Almighty and losing all your friends and family is not coercion?
Posts by besty
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87Jehovah's Witness boy fights court for right to die
by jwfacts inhttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/religious-boy-fights-court-for-right-to-die-20130917-2tx5u.html.
this is tragic.
the boy is 17, and earlier this year the courts ruled that he was to be forced a transfusion.
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Jehovah's Witness boy fights court for right to die
by jwfacts inhttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/religious-boy-fights-court-for-right-to-die-20130917-2tx5u.html.
this is tragic.
the boy is 17, and earlier this year the courts ruled that he was to be forced a transfusion.
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besty
"Make sure he is not being coerced by all means"
By all means? meaning what?
Is it coercion to be raised from birth in a high control new religious movement <avoids c-word>?
In any case the appeal judges have agreed:
"The interest of the state is in keeping him alive until that time, after which he will be free to make his own decisions as to medical treatment."
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New Watchtower video on "real friends"
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5schopnecog.
it's difficult to imagine how this video could be more disingenuous and hypocritical.
cedars.
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besty
very slick - they are changing their game - GB 2.0 indeed :-)
The Internet is a two-edged sword and the Watchtower is very late to our party...
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Jehovah's Witness boy fights court for right to die
by jwfacts inhttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/religious-boy-fights-court-for-right-to-die-20130917-2tx5u.html.
this is tragic.
the boy is 17, and earlier this year the courts ruled that he was to be forced a transfusion.
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besty
SBF is correct - the title of the thread is inaccurate.
If the basis of the boys appeal to the Judge is one based on maturity, then he can stand being asked some awkward questions for the appeal judge to deliver a further considered opinion.
eg
Does your religion positively encourage you to research the doctrinal context of their blood ban using non-Watchtower references?
Have you cross-referenced 3rd party quotations used by the Watchtower to support the medical reasons for avoiding blood products in their original context? Do the authors of those quotations support the Watchower position on blood?
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The Lawsuit Landslide: Irwin Zalkin representing ELEVEN child abuse victims against Watchtower
by cedars inmany of you will be interested to know that irwin zalkin now has 11 lawsuits against watchtower at various stages.. these can be summarized as follows.... j.l.
shocked by the lack of action, the victims mother immediately left the congregation with her son.
by this stage campos was a known predator with complaints having been made to the elders at linda vista spanish, playa pacifica spanish and the watchtower dating back to 1982.elizabeth mcfarland ohio a former ministerial servant named scott silvasy sexually molested elizabeth when she was a child through her early teens.
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besty
The problem is that this is what takes place in EVERY court whenever an abuse case is tried,
Truly sorry to hear you and you daughter go through 2 ordeals.
I would beg to differ that kangaroo courts with no mechanism for redress or normal protocols conducted by untrained window cleaners is the same as the judicial system.
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My introduction
by zakharijah inok i think its time i introduce myself... and sorry, its going to be verrry long.. .
i am 32, married, 2 children.
i am french but i live in scotland.. .
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besty
good luck on your journey!
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Check this out- JW Car Lot
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat inhttp://www.circuitvehicles.com/home/.
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besty
2nd hand car used traveling overseer vehicle
such bullshitters..
for more background see here...
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Interesting change of direction by Pope Francis
by besty inhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-pope-francis-gays-20130919,0,6719110.story.
tribune news wire reports8:54 p.m. cdt, september 19, 2013. vatican citypope francis said the catholic church must shake off an obsession with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuality and become more merciful or risk the collapse of its entire moral edifice "like a house of cards".. .
in a dramatically blunt interview with an italian jesuit journal, francis said the church had "locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules" and should not be so prone to condemn.. .
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-pope-francis-gays-20130919,0,6719110.story
Tribune news wire reports
8:54 p.m. CDT , September 19, 2013
VATICAN CITY—
Pope Francis said the Catholic Church must shake off an obsession with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuality and become more merciful or risk the collapse of its entire moral edifice "like a house of cards".
In a dramatically blunt interview with an Italian Jesuit journal, Francis said the Church had "locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules" and should not be so prone to condemn.
Its priests should be more welcoming and not cold, dogmatic bureaucrats. The confessional, he said, "is not a torture chamber but the place in which the Lord's mercy motivates us to do better."
His comments were welcomed by liberal Catholics; but they are likely to be viewed with concern by conservatives who have already expressed concern over Francis's failure to address publicly the issues stressed by his predecessor, Benedict.
Francis, the first non-European pope in 1,300 years, the first from Latin America and the first Jesuit pope, did not hold out the prospect of any changes soon to such moral teachings.
But, in the 12,000-word interview with Civilta Cattolica, he said the Church must find a new balance between upholding rules and demonstrating mercy. "Otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards."
In the interview with the magazine's director, Jesuit Father Antonio Spadaro, he also said he envisioned a greater role for women in the 1.2 billion member Church but suggested it would not include a change in the current ban on a female priesthood.
In a remarkable change from his predecessor Benedict, who said homosexuality was an intrinsic disorder, Francis said that when homosexuals told him they were always condemned by the Church and felt "socially wounded", he told them "the Church does not want to do this".
He re-stated his comments first made on a plane returning from a visit to Brazil in July that he was not in a position to judge homosexuals who are of good will and in search of God.
In the interview released on Thursday, he added: "Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free. It is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person."
The Church, he said, should see itself as "a field hospital after a battle" and try to heal the larger wounds of society and not be "obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently."
Francis's approach contrasts starkly with that of his conservative predecessor Benedict, who stepped down in February and now lives a withdrawn life in the Vatican grounds.
The interview was not didactic and formal, in the way of past popes, but easy-going, familiar and friendly. He even spoke of his favorite author, Dostoevsky, painter, Caravaggio and composer, Mozart.The interview took place over three sessions in August in his simple quarters in a Vatican guest house where he has lived since his election instead of the spacious papal apartments, and was released simultaneously by Jesuit journals around the world.
Francis alluded to criticism of him within the conservative Catholic establishment.
"We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that," he said. -
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Am I in a "cool hall " or what?
by ?me? inanybody else in the situation i am?
me and the wife go to a hall that is pretty "hands off".
i have not really been out in service for probably 1.5 years and my wife has went out maybe 3 times in the last year.
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besty
be true to yourself and it will all make sense
fake lives are a bitch...
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Recent Global Cooling Controversy
by metatron inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.
climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.
however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!
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besty
@adamah - mP is not even a competent denier :-)
his reason for not accepting the consensus is unbelievable - "governments aren't doing anything" (his perception)
if he applied the same reasoning to adult obesity, would he deny that fat people exist?