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  Why they won't try again...

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have spoken to two jw's today's who are well acquainted with my non-conformist stand and absence from the meetings.

  much difference in their readjustment approach <emotional v logical> but they shared this in common: .

  they both explicitly refused my invitation to pursue the conversation to another session - both said they saw no basis for 'getting anywhere' and didn't see the point of endless conversations...i accept that but also think... .

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  besty

  I have spoken to two JW's today's who are well acquainted with my non-conformist stand and absence from the meetings.
  
  much difference in their readjustment approach <emotional v logical> but they shared this in common:
  
  They both explicitly refused my invitation to pursue the conversation to another session - both said they saw no basis for 'getting anywhere' and didn't see the point of endless conversations...I accept that but also think...
  
  1 - how bothered about my eternal salvation are they?
  
  2 - how sure are they in their own mind to return for Round 2?
  
  Just made me think about why they both decided 1 shot was worth it but wouldn't follow through?
  
  I do like a bit of intellectual back and forth and will argue the toss if my opponent is like-minded and capable, but to concede on the 1st attempt is weak?
  
  yes/no?
  
  however at least they stopped by and tried....
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  1 Tim 3:1-10 promotes an organisation

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  speaking with a hardline friend (oxymoron alert) tonight he used the above verse as proof that jehovah needs a hierarchical organization - otherwise why stratify the membership?

  any refutation?

  cheers .

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  besty

  speaking with a hardline friend (oxymoron alert) tonight he used the above verse as proof that jehovah needs a hierarchical organization - otherwise why stratify the membership?
  
  any refutation?
  
  cheers
  
  besty
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  Humourous DA letter

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  right- we've been thinking about this.. .

  it seems that most da letters are: doctrinal, personal, emotional or or major issues such un etc .

  and completely understandably so..but.. .

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  besty

  love it Vernon - nothing to dark for dark humour!! (usually best to leave children and animals out of it though)any more?
  
  I just got to thinking that humour is part of my coping mechanism for most situations - why not reach out to J-Dubs with some new publications:
  
  Crisis of Comedy
  
  In Search of Christian One Liners
  
  Combatting Cult Laugh Control
  
  The Genital Times Reconstructed (schoolboy I know)
  
  any more out there?
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  Humourous DA letter

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  right- we've been thinking about this.. .

  it seems that most da letters are: doctrinal, personal, emotional or or major issues such un etc .

  and completely understandably so..but.. .

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  Humourous DA letter

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  right- we've been thinking about this.. .

  it seems that most da letters are: doctrinal, personal, emotional or or major issues such un etc .

  and completely understandably so..but.. .

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  Right- we've been thinking about this..
  
  It seems that most DA letters are: doctrinal, personal, emotional or or major issues such UN etc
  
  and completely understandably so..but..
  
  is it possible that there could be an element of dark humour introduced to make the reader get past the first sentence. For example:
  
  Dear <Brother>
  
  You have no doubt recently heard the saddest announcement that I am no longer known as a JW. So as to avoid the gossip and speculation that sometimes accompanies such, I have decided to let you know personally the reasons why.
  
  1 - I have been swimming in the otherwise normal H20 at the YMCA
  
  2 - I inadvertently shared a Big Mac with someone likewise disapproved
  
  and finally
  
  3 - I persuaded 25000 ex-Witnesses to donate blood so one of the hemophiliac Brothers could have the appropriate fraction
  
  Please forgive my weak and rubbish attitude
  
  best regards
  
  Bro Pants
  
  any thoughts on whether this could be a new tactic? or suggestions for humorous letter...
  
  besty?
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  Is a rapid graceful exit possible?

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we will find out soon.

  as a brief update my wife sweet pea and i have 'announced' to a few friends and close family - less than 10 altogether - that we are no longer going to meetings.

  some friends have probed for details, others don't want to know.

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  thought an update was a bit overdue so here goes...
  
  about 2 months has passed since our final meeting and the dust is beginning to settle. Sweet Pea has had quite a few JW friends round at the house inquiring as to how she is and if we are coming back etc. General consensus is that we must be 'weak' and it seems they have real difficulty accepting that we aren't going back and at the same time not being able to label us as DF/DA. It leaves them in the limbo of not being able to officially ignore us and at the same time wanting to remain friends, as these are genuinely nice people. Shame they are under mind control - oh well.
  
  For myself I have had the grand sum of 1 JW friend + family speak to me about the whole thing. In their case the conversation was along the lines of when are you going back to the meetings, not how are you, how is your faith in God + Jesus etc. So 37 years as a JW and a grand total of one person bothers to call me to speak about it. Great. 'By this all will know you have conditional love amongst the current meeting attenders...'
  
  After my 5 minute phone call to the friendly elder mentioned earlier he then decides he wants to come round for a chat anyway to which I agree. Needless to say he turns up with another stooge - our BS Overseer - and we get the loyalty test. No prayer no Scriptures no Bible even present, just questions along the lines of:
  
  Do you consider yourself a JW?
  Are you reading the NWT & publications?
  Have you joined another church?
  
  So we told them what we thought they wanted to hear. theocratic warfare. Also we said they would be welcome to come back every so often and share some Scriptures with us - knowing full well they probably won't - and that the JW friends were always welcome in the house - knowing they will avoid us. They were both pretty uncomfortable and I tried to make it easy'ish' for them to ask their questions, get the answers and get out the door.
  
  My endgame was to exit gracefully without DF/DA for the sake of my young children being able to see my mother and for a few close friends, in one of the couples he has faded but his wife is still hardline and she would have nothing to do with us if we are labelled.
  
  So now we are working a bit harder on non-JW friendships, a few relatives have shown us some concern etc which has been encouraging. Funnily enough we had a JW family round for dinner last night - except he's disfellowshipped hoping to get reinstated within the month - bizarre if anybody spotted their car outside our house and we get disfellowshipped for eating with a disfellowshipped person, and then he gets reinstated..weird situations that can only happen to a j-Dub.
  
  All in all things are on the up - happy days - no more meeting - Yaay.
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  If you could ask an elder your questions

  by Heather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what question do you want to ask or have you asked that would stump or have stumped an elder?

  i'm in the position where my mom wants me to come back and wants me to have my questions answered (even though she has dodged most of mine) so that i will once again see its the truth and want to return.

  so i'm going to set a meeting with an elder to see if he would be willing to attempt to answer some of my questions to prove to me beyond a doubt that i'm in the wrong.

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  besty

  Personally I think trying to stump elders is a dangerous game to play - think cornered rat.
  
  If you must, you could ask why Rev.19:1 is not indexed at the back of the NWT as referring to the great crowd, although they have managed to index 19:6 a few lines down...??
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  Is anyone willing to send an anonymous email

  by loosie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have 4 friends who are in.

  if i send them an email regarding the amw rick mcleans case they will never speak to me again.

  yes i know not really good friends but i understand their witness mind set... i need to have someone send them the link about amw rick mcleans.

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  besty

  Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited bulk messages, which are generally undesired according to Wikipedia.
  
  Since this is not bulk but appears to be unsolicited and possibly undesired I would say its not technically spam but it may not get through to the recipient in any case if they are operating a white list.
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  Are you: Disfellowshipped; Disassociated; Irregular: Memorial Attender: N

  by mtsgrad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  good evening,.

  i am a virgin to this forum do bear with me!.

  i am curious who visits.

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  besty

  hey Simon is it possible to get these categories added to everybody's visible profile as an option? (mind you it amuses me how many posters live in Azerbaijan and Afgahnistan - wou;dn't want to lose the country option)
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  Could this be why WBTS is moving out of NewYork?

  by restrangled in

  1. social
  2. current

  apparently they were getting a pass on water and sewer bills over the years from the city of new york.. i came across the following today.. .

  matter of brooklyn assembly halls of jehovah's witnesses, inc. v department of envtl.

  prudenti, p.j., fisher, carni and mccarthy, jj., concur.

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  besty

  original link here: http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/ad2/calendar/webcal/decisions/2007/D14534.pdf