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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
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  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  besty

  Ozzie,GaryBuss,Mary
  
  I'm with you on the not fighting it option - bad idea with no happy ending possible. The reason for considering a fight was in the scenario they had no good evidence from 2 witnesses and wanted us to self-incriminate. But I think thats not likely.
  
  So
  
  Objective 1 - Take the p*ss out of them before, during and after (for the forseeable future mwahmwahmwah)
  Objective 2 - Find out the accusers and their evidence (preferably face to face)
  Objective 3 - make my points about lack of love shown, star chamber proceedings, misrepresenting the biblical definition of apostasy and wrongful application of extreme shunning
  Objective 4 - Leave it with them - not DA'ing myself or giving them a letter, just leaving them to do as they please and physically leaving at that point
  
  Bozos 0 Besty 4
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  Shunned in the Park...

  by sweet pea in

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  2. experiences

  today was rather a beautifully balmy hot summers day in the uk and i decided to take the babies to the park with a non jw friend of mine (let's call her y).

  as i arrived in the park i caught sight of my best jw friend (let's call her x), one of the many who has decided she wants nothing more to do with me or my family.

  i went to meet up with y and x walked straight past me with a quick flick round , obviously to check my babies out!

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  Sweet Pea 'shunned' me in bed the other day, but I'm going to turn the other cheek :-)
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  How large was your JC?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i saw one comment that indicated a jc was, in his case, made up of 6 elders.

  normally i think 3 or 5 is the number.

  i think mine was 3 - though i did not attend the party.. jeff .

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  4 apparently.
  
  Anybody care to estimate the number of hours a typical JC consumes on a per elder basis?
  
  My 1st guess would be 3 meetings * 2 hours = 6 hours per elder * 4 elders = 24 hours
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  JW Stopping Door to Door Preaching?

  by SuzieQ in

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  2. friends

  has anyone heard any announcement to this effect?

  could it be true?

  no more jw knocking at our doors?

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  besty

  If outside consultants looked at their business my guess is that they would recommend less printing and more property developing and stocks investments. Much more upside potential with less downside.
  
  This fits with the recent printing presses - no business purchases capital equipment without a sound demonstration of how it saves money and/or creates more money. With the pricepoint of the literature assumed to be zero, the new presses must have offered them cost savings through new efficiences, staff layoffs etc
  
  With regard to the 6.5 million members spending time on the screeching work, I suggest that this is background noise to the moneymen at HQ. Its not impossible to envision a time when the JW's become an asset-light religious movement (like 1st C Christian's ..nooo I'm dreaming)and one of the other statutory bodies - eg Christian Cong of JW's or similar - becomes a true moneymaking machine.
  
  Oh wait - perhaps this has laready happened in all but name....
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  Penny2 - no need to take it too seriously really - we mentally checked out a while back so this is my chance to show them that they're all a wee bit sad really

  definitley going casually dressed and taking the babies as well:

  It's a family affair, it's a family affair
  It's a family affair, it's a family affair

  http://www.adherents.com/people/pg/Larry_Graham.html
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  besty

  Blondie - can you help me find the reference to disassociating yourself by your actions if you stop going to the meetings?

  Thnaks in advance

  PS - idea for thread - Blondies Tips n' Tricks for WT CD ROM research
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  besty

  love the idea of recorder...

  JC - Have you any recording devices?

  Me - Sorry..pardon...?

  JC - HAVE YOU ANY RECORDING DEVICES?

  Me - <checks inside briefcase> Thats fine thanks - if you can keep the volume up please :-)
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  besty

  thanks Guys - we are aware of the DA/DF announcement being the same - it was more to do with if we get the chance to have a conversation with JW's (if they'll still talk to us) who may not have heard the announcement - ie we are telling them what has happened with us
  
  I did the tell the Elder on the 1st phone call a week ago we were moving out the country within "weeks not months" and he said "oh - it'd be ashame to see you go without saying goodbye" - no mention of a JC on that call. The sly weasel has then got together a JC of four Elders and set dates within a week, despite the fact we made it clear we were moving out the country, and were quite happy to leave without making any further contact with JW's in the area. In fact I told him he was only the 2nd JW I'd spoken to in the last 3 months.
  
  Does anyone have the reference Lady Liberty mentioned on another thread about disassociating yourself by your actions if you stop attending meetings? I'm going to use that in my DA letter, asking why they are wasting time with committess and investigations when they can just read the 10 word death sentence.
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  besty

  For those of you don't know our story Sweet Pea and I stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  Since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with JW friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails. Also SP emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church. That moron then posted her email including personal details and email address onto the forum for others to see. Unfortunately his post was found almost instantly by a JW friend - who was looking into his beliefs at our suggestion - and emailed it to us asking for an explanation. He also shared the post with his hardline wife who was already shunning us and who told a load of her friends so it became quite widely known that SP had done an Alpha course and been to a church. (We had the post taken down and it is no longer visible - but the JW will have hard copy) (once all this blows over I will post some email conversations)

  So about a week ago we had a phone call from an elder asking us to meet with him and another elder. We declined.

  Last night we had another call from the same elder, this time inviting us to a JC on a charge of apostasy. He refused to reveal the specific allegation, name the accusers or reveal the evidence. I suggested that going to a religious trial without the benefit of preparing our defence based on the details was a quasi-legal process that I wanted no part of. He replied that they were not adhering to worldy standards but bible ones. I suggested a public trial at the city gates in front of the congregation was the Bible standard for dealing with wrongdoers. He replied that the congreagtion will find out, to which I replied that a 7 word announcement tells them nothing about the rights and wrongs of our case but only tells them what sentence they have to enforce.

  He said it wasn't like a trial. I replied "I wish it was - then we might have a chance to see the evidence before going in front of the police, prosecutors, jury, judge and prison officers". I also said that the only place you could find a legal system like that would be on the Amnesty International website. He declined to put in writing the details I had requested, but would put in writing the date set for the JC.

  So now we have to make a choice - do we attend so we can see the evidence and the accusers for our own closure and then DA on the spot? Or do we attend and if the evidence is thin then we could try and fight the case?

  Or do we not attend and not play their childish games as mentally they have no authority over us and we can remove that credence they may think they have.

  I am minded for both of us to go along and hear/see the evidence/witnesses and then produce prepared DA letters. That way we can have some saving face with current JW's who we are fond of - its sounds better saying we DA'd ourselves for conscience reasons rather than we were disfellowshipped for apostasy...

  Thoughts anyone?

  PS - My rapid graceful fade appears not to be working :-) http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/133766/1.ashx
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  Next FDS Stunt?

  by sweet pea in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  shopoholic is of the opinion that friday's dc talk about obeying/following the faithful and (not so) discreet slave no matter what, is indicative of some dramatic stunt the fds are about to pull.

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  any suggestions as to what this might be?

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  besty

  Thanks for all your input so far everyone.
  
  I am starting to wonder with all the posts regarding the Sept KM whether the FDS are about to make "Studying The Bible Independently/Setting Up Websites/Publishing Your Own Material" a disfellowshipping offence?????
  
  I remember saying to a JW friend a few months that we were taking but wouldn't be stopping studying the bible - she wasn't too impressed.
  
  If Ray Franz can get DF'd for having a meal with someone.....