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  The ants have megaphones. What are they saying?

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the thread title refers to a quote from chris anderson's book - the long tail - why the future of business is selling less of more.

  here is the quote in context from chp.7 the new tastemakers.

  "were entering an era of radical change for marketers.

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  besty

  bttt
  
  <besty megaphone not switched on>
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  Is Active Disbelief a New Development?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in decades past, i can't ever recall anyone who 'left the truth' , who openly believed it was false.. i knew lots of people who drifted away but none who actively proclaimed that what the organization.

  taught was false.

  usually, you would bump into them and they would say , "i know its the truth but.

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  sweet pea and I are firmly in the morally, ethically, spiritually and intellectually wrong class and will never go back

  just got to handle the fallout from that :-)
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  The ants have megaphones. What are they saying?

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the thread title refers to a quote from chris anderson's book - the long tail - why the future of business is selling less of more.

  here is the quote in context from chp.7 the new tastemakers.

  "were entering an era of radical change for marketers.

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  thanks 20YO - the worrying thing for me is that whilst the R&F don't seem to understand information control techniques, the WTBS have a very good grasp of the subject.

  Overall I'm optimistic but it will take time - unless a single massive event changes everything - would seem that the UN, child abuse, blood etc aren't big enough, so perhaps the ground-upwards approach will be the thing. That means we all have to play our part in spreading accurate information via the Internet at every opportunity.

  What that means in practice I'm not to sure...any takers?
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  The ants have megaphones. What are they saying?

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the thread title refers to a quote from chris anderson's book - the long tail - why the future of business is selling less of more.

  here is the quote in context from chp.7 the new tastemakers.

  "were entering an era of radical change for marketers.

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  The thread title refers to a quote from Chris Anderson's book - The Long Tail - Why The Future of Business is Selling Less of More

  Here is the quote in context from Chp.7 The New Tastemakers

  "We’re entering an era of radical change for marketers. Faith in advertising and the institutions that pay for it is waning, while faith in individuals
  is on the rise. Peers trust peers. Top-down messaging is losing traction, while bottom-up buzz is gaining power. Dell spends hundreds of millions each year on promoting its quality and customer service, but if you Google “dell hell” you’ll get 55,000 pages of results. Even the word “dell” returns customer complaints by the second page of results. The same inversion of power is now changing the marketing game for everything from individual products to people. The collective now controls the message.
  
  For a generation of customers used to doing their buying research via search engine, a company’s brand is not what the company says it is, but what Google says it is. The new tastemakers are us. Word of mouth is now a public conversation, carried in blog comments and customer reviews, exhaustively collated and measured. The ants have megaphones."

  This set me to thinking about how the WTBS have traditionally controlled the message, the brand and the public perception. And the recent development in the Sep KM about barring individuals from doing external research seems to me a reaction to the new reality dexcribed above.

  Unfortunately for them its precisely the opposite from what their marketplace is demanding. So like King Canute attempting to stem the tide they will fail. The Internet is a tidal force that sweeps all before it. Perhaps the hardline JW's who do not grasp the fact that they have compartmentalized their lives and subcontracted their conscience - research everything you need to at the click of a mouse, except my religion, my way of life and my faith - will remain 'faithful' and not look behind the curtain. And in developing countries where large parts of the poulation have never made a phone call never mind seen the Internet may be willing to subjugate their right to full information for paradise 'soon'.

  Anderson makes the point that we are leaving the Information Age and moving into the Recommendation Age. Information is freely available -perhaps too much to cope without good filters. Personal recommnendation from trusted sources provide one of these filters. And yet the WTBS is still trying to control information - too late for that now.

  I recommend the book - no pun intended - also more info here http://www.longtail.com/the_long_tail/faq/index.html

  Besty <of the amplified ant class>
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  The 'incriminating' part of the email was a personal statement of new found faith in Jesus, not spreading a scandal like the UN or anything like that.
  
  Drew Sagan - thanks for the words of advice - I'm under no illusions about being DF'd if we don't turn up. I have a strategy though....more to follow when its appropriate
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  admit it

  by tijkmo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  you get annoyed when one of your threads peters out...or you make a comment on someone elses thread and it goes unacknowledged....but isnt it great when an old thread you'd forgotten about gets ressurected

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  love it when an old thread gets resurrected :-)
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  JC transcriptions

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anybody know where i could read a transcription of a jc meeting?

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  i remember reading one a few years back that was really good, but of course can't find it now...

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  does anybody know where I could read a transcription of a JC meeting?
  
  I remember reading one a few years back that was really good, but of course can't find it now...
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  We were asked that at our initial investigation meeting over a month ago. No prayer, no scriptues..is that the proper procedure?
  
  So in answer I replied "After 37 years of 5 meetings a week I'll always be a Jehovah's Witness" sarcastically meaning that the brainwashing was so ingrained I'd never truly get rid of it.
  
  They moved on to the next trick question...
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  besty

  Persons who make themselves 'not of our sort' by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing. -- The Watchtower, September 15, 1981, page 23
  
  Whether this could be extended to wilful and long-term meeting non-attendance and then whether an announcement could be made is open to debate, but the end result in the minds of the true believers is the same.
  
  Hi ho Hi ho its off to shun we go....:-)
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  sex - hmmm - its not that sort of JC - although....
  
  in the words of Woody Allen:
  
  "Of all the famous men who ever lived, the one I would most like to have been was Socrates. Not just because he was a great thinker, because I have been known to have some reasonably profound insights myself, although mine invariably revolve around a Swedish airline stewardess and some handcuffs"