Posts by caballoSentado

20

I won't cut my beard!

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

some time ago i learned of the un affair & saw the truth...i am fading away now so i have not been attending meetings regularly for some time, specially the book study.

two days ago, i learned that a letter was read in my book study regarding personal attire, and it was said that one should not grow a beard (this letter was not read in any of the other book studies).

they say you are not a good christian, you are not spiritual, if you grow a beard.

caballoSentado

Some time ago I learned of the UN affair & saw the truth...I am fading away now so I have not been attending meetings regularly for some time, specially the book study. Two days ago, I learned that a letter was read in my book study regarding personal attire, and it was said that one should not grow a beard (this letter was not read in any of the other book studies). They say you are not a good christian, you are not spiritual, if you grow a beard. well, I WONT CUT MINE. I would like them to show me, with the bible, why I cannot wear a beard!.

Caballo Sentado

12

Improper English in the Watchtower....

by Preston in

machislop posted a quote from a watchtower on a thread that went something like this:.

"....c. t. russell was patently of that governing body back there in the last quarter of the nineteenth century.".

excuse me, but the expression "back there" makes the governing body sound like a bunch of backwood hicks.

caballoSentado

Preston:
Could you tell me which WT?, date, page?. I'm interested not in the way they spoke but in the assertion itself. There was no GB at that time!
Caballo Sentado

26

For those who left: Are you better persons now?

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

i've read the thread "how many left over the un issue?".

i know ginosko, he is the elder, a very good friend of mine, i told you about when i wrote the threads about the un and my congregation.

caballoSentado

To Garybuss
I know there is irony in your post, but I posted an honest question. I did not try to insult anybody by posing it. Pls read my posts "My congregation & the UN" and you will know that I am having my own "crisis of conscience". I cannot hold many of the tenets of the JW's organization now... the blood issue, the 607/1914/1918 dates, the extreme shunning policy, the authoritarian & legalist ways of the society and some others teachings. I am hardly attending any meeting. Some elders know my standing but I do not know why I have not been called for a JC yet. If it comes I will NOT change my views. what I DO know is that there are many honest & sincere, although blinded, people inside. I hope this clarification helps you understand why I posted that question.

Caballo Sentado

26

For those who left: Are you better persons now?

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

i've read the thread "how many left over the un issue?".

i know ginosko, he is the elder, a very good friend of mine, i told you about when i wrote the threads about the un and my congregation.

caballoSentado

Nemesis:

You said:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Well I would have to say, why would I care what people thought? After leaving the Watch Tower organisation, why would I—or anyone—want to then willingly put ourselves under the judgment of another human to validate ourselves based on what they think of us? Surely Jesus and God’s opinion are the only ones that matter.
------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, you are right. I said what I said in the sense that you can make people around you happier or sadder, you can make people around you love or hate you.... and as Jesus said "There is more happiness in giving than in receiving"... if your family & neighbors love you, care for you, you know that your life is having a purpose, even if you do not believe in God. Life is short, Why make others suffer?.

rekless,
you said:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I don't feel hypocritical when inquiring about health, wealth, or anything else.....
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I agree wholeheartedly with you!

26

For those who left: Are you better persons now?

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

i've read the thread "how many left over the un issue?".

i know ginosko, he is the elder, a very good friend of mine, i told you about when i wrote the threads about the un and my congregation.

caballoSentado

Hi friends,

I've read the thread "How many left over the UN issue?". I know GINOSKO, he is the elder, a very good friend of mine, I told you about when I wrote the threads about the UN and my congregation. We have talked in many occasions about our standing in the organization and our desire to please God rather than men (& keep doing that). That UN thing has made us almost leave the organization...We know the hypocrisy. But he posted a question that I think should have its own thread: "After you left the organization, Are you better persons now?. DO PEOPLE AROUND YOU THINK SO? (That is what counts, isn't it?). Do you feel closer to God now?. If you don't believe in God...Do you feel that you are better individuals now?...Do people around know the difference? Do you help people in need?. I ask this because the UN thing or any other thing that has made us leave the organization can have a positive o negative effect on us. Has the outcome been positive?... If the outcome has been negative, would you consider going back to the JWs (including the blood issue & shunning*)? if so, would you accept again all the tenets of the JW this is an honest question my friends...

Caballo Sentado

*I would not

39

My congregation & the UN (Update)...

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

firstly, excuse any errors since this is not my native language.

this is my second post.

caballoSentado

to bjc2012:
I agree with you friend, sooner than later that is going to happen ..., I didn't think that was going to happen to me EVER, this are my first steps...soon I will have to walk by myself.

I am reading ISOCF right now... I agree wholeheartedly with it. But love for my wife & friends is delaying for just sometime the predictable outcome

39

My congregation & the UN (Update)...

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

firstly, excuse any errors since this is not my native language.

this is my second post.

caballoSentado

Firstly, excuse the delay in answering… I was out of town.

YOU KNOW:

You say:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem as I see it lies with your faith, or lack of. How can a person boast of being "in the truth" when in actuality their faith is determined by the actions of men that they are following? You merely changed from following one group of men to following another, with predictably equally unsatisfactory results.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I can tell you sincearly, my friend, that although this affair was a shock to me at first, my faith was always put in God. My problem was that maybe I had idealized our organization, I think that is no uncommon for a JW. That idealization made me believe that an organization on earth could measure up to Jehovah's standards, and that is no true in the end. I am convinced know that no man should put his faith on any such organization… It is love for God & Christ, and a sincere desire to please them what makes a person, when things like this happen, to examine his motives, to say to himself: Are you placing you faith in God or on a human system?, Do your care for God's will?… I had to ask that to myself…

You say:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
You are wrong about the Watchtower not being different than other religions. That's simply not true. In the case of other religions they see no problem at all with supporting various political institutions.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I understand your point, but you give the answer my friend:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
That's not to say that the Watchtower has not acted treacherously and hypocritically. They have
-------------------------------------------------------------------

So, a sincere christian (any JW should be that) should try to please God, even if that action puts your relation with the organization at risk… I'd rather risk my relationship with the Society than my relationship with God & Christ… I cannot think of this UN affair in any other way….

You say:

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Perhaps what you are unaware of though is that there are numerous prophecies that call for many to be stumbled right before and during the end phase of this system. So as tragic as these events are there are not to be unexpected. It is leading up to the ultimate test of our faith.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

My faith is in God, as I told you my friend. This stumbling has drawn me closer to God… I can tell you that my faith in the organisation is what has been broken…

As for my work in the organization, I have given countless hours, without being a bethelite, to work in our branch office for several years, taking time form my secular job & my family… I was totally convinced that I was in the truth…. Now I put my faith where it should have been in the first place…in God's word. I love my brothers & sisters in the organization….I just cannot love the organization again…

The truth is in the Bible, nowhere else. From now on my faith will not be determined by what the organization teaches, but by what the bible teaches…I think that is the real test of christian faith now.

Caballo Sentado

39

My congregation & the UN (Update)...

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

firstly, excuse any errors since this is not my native language.

this is my second post.

caballoSentado

SaintSatan:
Thanks for the advice,

Gary:
Funny hat my friend, you seem to be a nice person

Hasta la vista,
Caballo Sentado

39

My congregation & the UN (Update)...

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

firstly, excuse any errors since this is not my native language.

this is my second post.

caballoSentado

YouKnow:

My friend, sometimes it is difficult to express your feelings using a language that is not yours. I will try...
When I learned of this, It hurt me... I thought I was in the truth... I thought that my "church" was different from others... I was proud of being a JW... but I loved God & the Bible. I, like anybody, am imperfect, but love for God is what sustains me. Life has no sense apart from that, I cannot be an atheist. That love made me try to prove that this was a lie. After several months of investigation I discovered that our organisation was no better that many churches I knew. They had been for years in asociation with what they call the "Wild beast", and worse, they lied to all of us in the letter to the branches. There were other lies too...When I had all the information about the UN affair I started to look for help from some elders, friends of mine, I thought they could have an answer, I thought they could show me that I was in error...but to no avail... in that process some of this elders, my friends, saw the unfaithfulness of the Organisation. Is it my fault?
I know that one might stumble, I stumbled too. But I do not regret having learned of this. If you love God, you search for
the truth, even if it hurts to know...I left the Catholic church some 25 years ago for that reason. I am not in fear of leaving any church or organization that has abandoned the love for the truth. I love my wife, how could I remain silent because of loyalty to men? She was hurt too, but after reading CoC and crying she told me: I do not want my children to be JW anymore...I do not want too. It is difficult at first, but any person who loves the truth will have to consider where is his/her loyalty, How do you protect your real friends? It is the organisation that is doing the stumbling, they are the ones being hypocritical. Our loved ones are at risk... they are following men not God. What is a true friend my friend? Will a true friend remain silent at this?. I am almost silent now, and that hurts. What kind of religion is this, one that does not allow you to have the freedom to speak openly? How can we find fault with other churches if we are no better?. I do not worry for those who are not my friends, I worry for my loved ones...

Caballo Sentado

39

My congregation & the UN (Update)...

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

hi friends,.

firstly, excuse any errors since this is not my native language.

this is my second post.

caballoSentado

lv4fer and rekless,
I have no special stuff, All I got is from the internet. I think that the elders opened their eyes for this reason: In my country the middle class is small & mostly they have a career (studied in the university). I myself am a professional. JWs of the middle class are few. But some of us lived through the 1975 fiasco (? is that the word?) and heard all the preaching against higher education (in spite of that, we kept studying). We had a scar for that, sometimes we used to speak with friends about this bad thing... So if they lie to us again or see hypocrisy, some of us are going to open the eyes.

I think that a good is starting a conversation about the "hypocrisy of the churches", they are supporting the UN, the society charged them with that in the Jun 1 1991 WT... your friends is going to agree with that... tell him they do this by being NGOs... after that, tell him what does he think of that, let him speak whatever he wants against the UN and the churches... when he learnes the WT-UN affair he will have to think.

D8TA
We do not worry much about racial problems here, My father is a spaniard, my mother's grandparents came from Ireland & some had german blood. My wife is part arab, part spanish. My friends are white, indians (cholos), criollos (creoles?), african-american (that is the acepted word I think) and the like.... we see the heart of people, not their skin.

Adios amigos,
Have a good day (que tengan buen dia)

Caballo Sentado