i guess the full time servants will have to fend for themselves or rely on publishers to care for them.
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necessary personal needs: it is preferred that you and your mate (if married) continue to care for your personal needs yourself.
FUNKY:
Your humor just about nailed it and I could almost see this as a literal scenario happening somewhere - sad to say.. I thought the exact same thing when I saw the words “wound care”.
This is, unfortunately, what it has come to in the JW religion with these people who preferred to be in the full time ministry No Matter What - and wouldn’t be caught dead having a secular job with benefits.
i guess the full time servants will have to fend for themselves or rely on publishers to care for them.
------------------------------------for special full-time servants in the field in the united states branch territory1.
necessary personal needs: it is preferred that you and your mate (if married) continue to care for your personal needs yourself.
TRUTHLOVER123:
I came in after 1975 and there was really no talk about it except a brief remark about people who were stumbled because ‘they were serving for a date’.
I’m glad that you saved for your retirement and I assume you didn’t advertise it. It’s good that you did not succumb to the ‘Ye of little faith’ thing. Me neither. When I saw the older people in the halls collecting THEIR pensions, I knew.
Everybody is strangely silent about this: that older generation of JWs (who would be late 80s-early 90s) worked and saved for Retirement. But, yet poverty was preached to Baby Boomers like myself who were young in the 1970s. I’m just glad I never fell for this stupidity.
for myself i just try to avoid them intentionally maybe see them once every couple of years on average.
they used to be easy going but over the last 10 years or so they got more cult like and distant and i'm really not bothered by that, maybe a bit.
they stick to their own or other members like they are their family so, its makes it unattractive for myself to connect and reach out to them anymore.
DESIROUS OF CHANGE:
Many people on the forum have Witness relatives who have experienced family who were once friendly and are now stand-offish. This must be a sad thing to behold and I am so glad I had no family in that religion.
The problem I see with all these shunner Witnesses is that they are on their high-horse with over-confidence and are talked into believing they can disrespect blood relatives..So sad...What happens though when they get elderly?...Do ANY of these idiots imagine they are going to ask for as$istance from family members they have ostracized for decades??
I’d tell them to track down their spiritual friends for help. Maybe some of those great ladies are still around. You know: the older esteemed sisters who hosted those special pioneer dinners and get togethers (that I was never invited to). Good luck tracking these people down for help.
i guess the full time servants will have to fend for themselves or rely on publishers to care for them.
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necessary personal needs: it is preferred that you and your mate (if married) continue to care for your personal needs yourself.
Hi OVERRATED:
Thanks...I wasn’t interested in opinions of seniors with a cushy life collecting a pension because THEY already worked.
I came into the religion at a bad time - late ‘70s. The ‘Stepford Wives’ type women there looked at me strangely because I worked.
I had to support myself plain and simple. There were also no desirable marriage prospects!..I was raised Catholic - and one thing so-called ‘worldly’ people know is that everybody gets old and you need to think about retirement. As time went on I think some younger JWs realized they needed to do something.
I’m glad I looked out for my own interest because people who DIDN’T are up that famous creek without a paddle.
for myself i just try to avoid them intentionally maybe see them once every couple of years on average.
they used to be easy going but over the last 10 years or so they got more cult like and distant and i'm really not bothered by that, maybe a bit.
they stick to their own or other members like they are their family so, its makes it unattractive for myself to connect and reach out to them anymore.
FINKELSTEIN:
So, your relatives have gotten more cult-like and distant over the last decade or so?
I wonder though if they would come looking for you if they needed money or anything el$e? Some ex-JWs have this experience. Not having Witness relatives I’m not faced with this, but I’d never tolerate ‘shunners’ asking for money.
i guess the full time servants will have to fend for themselves or rely on publishers to care for them.
------------------------------------for special full-time servants in the field in the united states branch territory1.
necessary personal needs: it is preferred that you and your mate (if married) continue to care for your personal needs yourself.
HI PETRA,
Thanks. You don’t know how lucky you are that you got out as a kid. You have fewer bad memories than others.
I know a lot of older people in the religion suffered back then and sadly are suffering now because they were talked into not preparing for Retirement... I ‘suffered’ back then in the sense that I was not ‘approved’ because I wouldn’t quit my full time job to do the full time ministry and I wasn’t invited much.
No regrets. I had to look out for myself. But, I also got grief every now and then over my figure and was expected to ‘try harder’ and dress dowdier, etc. SO, I was THAT single working woman who had a nice figure and that bothered some people. Because of the spiteful attitude towards me over my job and my appearance, I made sure I was Not available to do favors for the Users. This was No ‘brotherhood’ as far as I was concerned and I wouldn’t give these people the time of day.
Now, they have the audacity to imagine that people still there are going to give $$ and support people who never wanted to work and had the balls to criticize people such as myself who DID work.
Glad I’m not there because I’d never tolerate these pathetic people who never learned to live in REALITY coming near me looking for anything!
i guess the full time servants will have to fend for themselves or rely on publishers to care for them.
------------------------------------for special full-time servants in the field in the united states branch territory1.
necessary personal needs: it is preferred that you and your mate (if married) continue to care for your personal needs yourself.
PETRA:
I also saw this on Reddit and couldn’t believe it. This isn’t talking about somebody just giving haircuts to presumably needy ‘Friends’ in full time ministry.
It also gives a sense that they really DO expect people in congregations to actually support these people in every way you can imagine!..Again, I’m so glad I got out of the religion years ago because I couldn’t stand being around this!
in a disgusting new video, anthony morris iii talks about apostates, and brings to mind his 'hot dog' talk all over again as he anticipates the demise of ex-jehovah's witnesses.
i don't know if you're familiar with maggots, but when you see a whole bunch of them it's not a pleasant sight.. .
what a fitting picture of the final end of all of god's enemies.
NEAT BLUE DOG:
Also, let’s not forget that if somebody walks away from the JW religion that’s one less person they can go up to and ask for $$.
In addition, if that person had a service that people there used (emphasis on the word Use), they are especially angry because the loss is doubly felt. It’s not only a person that is no longer under ‘control’, but somebody who can no longer be exploited materially...They hate losing ‘assets’:..the person who did taxes cut-rate or free; the person who drove people around; the person who fixed cars or computers; or the family who opened up their home and served food, etc. etc.
They would want to fill these voids but maybe it’s not so easy anymore because more people there have become wise and have come to feel the way I felt years ago: that they weren’t THERE to be exploited or targeted to do favors.
here is a brother who really thinks that elders are there to help him after admitting that he cheated on his wife.
his conscience is bothering him to the point of letting elders know all the details of his affair.
( his affair should have been private, between himself and his wife ).
RULES & REGULATIONS:
I am glad that immigrant brother who was the welder looked out for his own interest. Good for him! 👍🏻
There is No forgiveness for what we experienced and I’m grateful I didn’t succumb to peer pressure and hounding.. So what if I wasn’t invited to gatherings?? I’ll take Witness hatred any day because at least I planned for my Retirement.
Don’t forget that those older Witnesses (with cushy lives/good pensions) who pushed poverty for some young person aren’t EVEN around to help anybody today.. They either passed away OR have moved away.. I remember big brags and confident talk from people who are gone now.
The JW religion is filled with tragedies like this but the people suffer in silence because they don’t want to be heard to be bringing ‘reproach..” Then they would be shunned and not get any charitable contributions or menial work from ‘the brothers’. They are in a Catch-22 predicament.
It makes me angry that not only is there No accountability for what happened - but history is repeating itself yet again in 2020.
here is a brother who really thinks that elders are there to help him after admitting that he cheated on his wife.
his conscience is bothering him to the point of letting elders know all the details of his affair.
( his affair should have been private, between himself and his wife ).
RULES & REGULATIONS and OVERRATED:
I would never have gone to an elder for anything - since I saw back then they were Company men.
They were behind the push to get me to quit a decent job, pursue poverty in the full time ministry and do favors for Users in the congregation! ..This is the bullshit that was held out for a single woman (which I rejected) and I despise their guts.
These hypocrites were collecting their pensions since THEY were once in the workforce supporting themselves well and planning for their future Retirement..So, why would I not have been as well?
Glad I never heeded their advice as they were certainly not looking out for MY best interest!
