Posts by LongHairGal

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

BIAHI:

No, the nervy ‘B’ didn’t state an amount. My answer would have been No whatever way she worded it.

She just came up to me while I was in my seat before the meeting got started. It was just a run of the mill plea for money I heard many times before from panhandlers. However, I was appalled to encounter this at the kingdom hall.

This is what the religion has turned into, apparently, and I’m Glad I’m not there anymore. So, it’s not just that I don’t believe Witness teachings anymore or am not tolerating their intrusiveness and disrespect. But, the icing on the cake is that I would have to fend off this shit as well. Not happening.

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Article: The Crypto Ponzi Scheme Avenger - [A former JW]

by AndersonsInfo in

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(this article is available by subscription only so i copied and pasted it below.).

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/11/business/crypto-ponzi-scheme-hyperfund.html.

here's part of the information about mr. de hek's past as a jw:.

LongHairGal

ANDERSONSINFO:

Your friend’s email is right on target.

I agree with their words that the JWs have ‘no actual product’, ‘just illustrations and spin’.

What people also have to remember is that the religion itself cannot deliver any of these supernatural promises and speculations. (I know this should be painfully obvious but people don’t think.)

People are assured that somebody ELSE (namely God) is going to bring about all the wonderful things the religion talks about like: paradise earth, the resurrection and ‘perfection’, beautiful scenery and fruit platters and smiling people depicted in beautiful artwork in their books/literature.

The religion itself is not able to actually make any of this wishful thinking happen.

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

I don’t know why anybody should be surprised.

You’ve got the perfect situation with Witnesses to be taken advantage of by anybody and everybody. These people have let down their personal boundaries. This is a very bad thing because everyone should have boundaries of some sort. I was not raised a JW but came in a young working adult. I saw right away they try to chip away at your boundaries. They think it’s about ‘love’ and brotherly-ness but it’s really about exploitation. They pull this mostly with single women but I suppose a gullible brother can be a victim. They also act like you supposedly can trust everybody there. I am friends with an ex-JW woman who was suspicious back in the day when a certain couple in the hall wanted her to just leave her very young daughter with them for an afternoon! Her instincts told her No and she declined.

You also have a mentality of deadbeatism and people who imagine they can be forgiven for anything.

As I might have said previously: at least when I was in I was basically surrounded by suburban homeowner types. Maybe a con-artist type would appear from time to time in the form of somebody’s ‘friend’ visiting. This person was oh so spiritual and gave long flowery answers, etc. They ended up being invited everywhere but I think people’s delight was short lived when the person started asking for money and crying a river about hard luck, and so on. I think this was common in the Witness religion. But, I still wasn’t threatened by this because they were few and far between.

But, NOW, with all the responsible older people having passed away (and many others left)..a different demographic remains of more ‘needy’ (which can mean a lot of things). FORGET ABOUT IT…. I wouldn’t tolerate anybody making a bee-line over to me asking for money! Like when I was at a memorial in later years and a visiting woman did this.. My ‘NO’ to her was certainly loud enough for people around me to hear.

This is what I (who was knocked for working full-time) would encounter if I were stupid enough to ever get involved with this religion again.. I have explained this to the few JWs I know.. And to any JW lurkers:..nobody wants to be around panhandlers and you’ve got another thought coming if you imagine that responsible-looking person you see at the hall owes you anything!

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Back when I was in decades ago I have to say that the elders in the congregations were basically decent men - even if you didn’t like their personalities!

I’ve been out for about twenty-two years. Sorry that everything seems to have gone further downhill in the JW religion.. No way I could be around any of this now.. Any diehards still wanting to stick around with this..good luck.

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How many preaching hours are real

by Hellothere in

how much of the preaching hours in yearly report you think are real?

they always have high numbers preaching hours.

probably increase every decade.

LongHairGal

NOWWHAT?

The problem is they aren’t even real bible studies but instead are the religion’s own literature studies.

A bible study would be just that: a study of the Bible. Years back when I ‘studied’ with them, their own books were used to study from with the bible reached for here and there.

I also believe anything considered a charity should have programs that benefit the community like what the religions of Christendom have:.. such as programs to help the hungry and the needy and the youth in the community.

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

The reason they have to touch on this topic, in my opinion, is because the demographics and things inside the congregations have changed. You have to wonder just what kind of victimization some people have experienced!

Back in the day when I was ‘in’, I NEVER had any business dealings with JWs and never wanted to. And THIS was back when people were more ‘responsible’ types. But, there was always a con artist here and there. Unfortunately, they were always there like threads in the fabric. I knew enough to avoid them and I had heightened senses because I wasn’t raised a JW and worked full-time. I was well aware of jealous idiots and deadbeats looking for handouts.

But, NOW…you can totally forget about it !! I’m Out many years and am well aware of all the changes in the religion as well as the changed demographic and things in the world being a bit worse.. Most of the elderly responsible types (hit up for money the most) are passing away. What is left in congregations are less affluent and more ‘needy’ types.. A lot are needy because they followed the religion’s advice not to get careers or plan for their retirement. Anybody else left in the congregations who looks even halfway decent or has a job - would be targeted left and right!

I am Glad I am long gone from this religion.

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How do Jehovah's Witnesses differ from first century Christians?

by Vanderhoven7 in

let me start with a couple of distinctions.. first century christians:.

1. baptized military personnel.. 2. baptized men with political authority.

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LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

Some good examples are mentioned here…

However, the world today is a very different place than the world of the 1st century. In fact, the whole planet is different.

There are things that might have been done in the First Century (in the Middle East) that somebody might have a problem with now. I’m speaking about certain oddballs who thought they were going to roam around like vagabonds or live off the land imagining that’s what the disciples did.. Well, whose land?? For one thing, if somebody even wanted to go fishing they would need permits, etc. Since most of the land is either owned by the government or individuals, hungry people couldn’t just poach whatever off the property. I mean they could try but what happens when they are caught?

Also, this isn’t the culture of ancient times where people take guests in as a custom (well, not unless you want a problem with squatters who won’t leave). Also, people are less trustworthy today, in my opinion, and that’s putting it mildly. Whereas people from a distant era had codes of honor.

So, I don’t really think there is a fair comparison between now and the first century.

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Christmas, yes or no ?

by jhine in

i have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .

christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.

however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.

LongHairGal

JHINE:

I was raised Roman Catholic and I love Christmas. It reminds me of happy times in my childhood before I made the mistake years later of getting involved with the JWs.

I loved and still love the evergreens, the wonderful smells of cooking and baking, presents and seeing relatives!

I know about the ‘pagan’ origins and this doesn’t bother me since many things in our modern culture have pagan origins. For example: the days of the week and months of the year.

In my opinion, the REAL reason the Witnesses don’t want you celebrating Christmas and other holidays is because they don’t want you spending time in the company of non-Witness friends and relatives. They are afraid if you experience unconditional love by people who are not in the religion judging you every step of the way, you might not want to remain in the JW religion!

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List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's

by Sea Breeze in

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here's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .

1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.

2. no going to home coming football games.

LongHairGal

SEA BREEZE:

This is all enough to make me puke and I’m sorry for all you born-ins! If this isn’t enough to make anybody neurotic I don’t know what is.

As far as I was concerned, I made enough concessions at the time to be in that stupid religion. I was leading a moral life and was not engaging in any bad habits or addictions.

Even when I was IN, I didn’t care if they didn’t like me because I had a full-time job. Certainly, I never troubled my head about any except the most basic things on your list. The rest would be enough to keep many ex-Witnesses in therapy for a long time, in my opinion! They have my condolences.

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How get out of watchtower?

by Hellothere in

how do you get out of watchtower?

am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

how are the steps.

LongHairGal

HELLOTHERE:

Just stop going.

At the time I just wanted Out with no drama so that’s what I did. Good Luck on your journey!