an article on rnz, a news site in new zealand.. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil.
BOOGERMAN:
I also agree that if the shunning is directed towards a child, the elderly or those with mental illness it is especially bad.
In my case, I was a young adult not raised a JW…so I was able to ‘take it’ 🙄 and knew it was over my job. I shrugged my shoulders and didn’t care. But, for young born-ins who know nothing else, it could be devastating.. The religion should not be allowed to ruin some child’s life.
this ex brother says about half of disfellowshipped ones are suicidal at about 43 minutes into this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=otcdksnf4zo&feature=sharec.
it really is that brutal having your family and friends shun you that many unfortunately do actually take their own lives including steve letts nephew.. no wonder the drastic change in the elders book to not have any more judicial committees if suspected it would make them suicidal.. this is probably one of the largest changes in recent history that most rank and file don’t know about yet.. how it will work in practice i just don’t know.
what if someone keeps sinning but says it’s weakness not wickedness and they are suicidal?
LEE MARSH:
I heard of a few JWs who killed themselves. But, one I know of was not disfellowshipped.. Who knows what was going through his mind - and what kind of hangups he was saddled with?
With regard to disfellowshipped people, everything you said is correct: when all is said and done some might wrongly assume they have nothing to live for…
I was not raised a JW and I remember them trying to separate me from non-Witness friends and relatives….Now, of course, it’s obvious they want to isolate the new JW so it will be easier to ‘shun’ him or her when they are in ‘violation’ of any of the rules and regulations and even popular people’s opinions!! If the JW has people on the outside to turn to, the shun gun has little or no effect. No control. The religion can’t have that.
I’m grateful I had my full-time job at the time, so I wasn’t totally isolated much to the religion’s disappointment. That’s why they hated me.
in this jw training video, an elder gets deleted because his daughter has "stumbled" other jw's by pursuing higher education.
🤣.
@ 13.35 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2ohrbdm-c.
HOSER:
Everything you said is right and they are detestable hypocrites with their manipulation, etc. However, I have a problem with the word ‘let’ as in ‘let their members attend..’
To me this implies that grown adults there (especially men) are children who need to ask for ‘permission’ to do something.. It kind of also implies that there could be force to prevent something (however absurd to visualize this). This servile mentality offends my brain and makes me sick.. I know old habits die hard and some ex-JWs on here inadvertently make a Freudian slip once in a while.
in this jw training video, an elder gets deleted because his daughter has "stumbled" other jw's by pursuing higher education.
🤣.
@ 13.35 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2ohrbdm-c.
VIDIOT:
The problem is that it IS a problem - even if nobody there is talking about it too loudly. ‘Armageddon’ hasn’t come yet to save anybody.
Back in the late seventies when I came into the JW religion with my full-time job… pioneering/working part time was the ‘thing’. If you didn’t you were criticized and looked down on.. Young people my age at the time wouldn’t be caught dead in a full-time job like I had.. They scoffed at me.. Some of them pioneered for decades. They have certainly reached retirement age.
They and others who didn’t take college/careers or preparing for the future seriously are NOW dealing with the consequences.
This is one reason I’m Glad I’m not around them now.
watched this video and was wondering if any of you recall seeing this video besides on this presenter's youtube platform.
anyway, watch it !
it is disgusting but enlightening.
FOOLEDNOMORE:
Very true.
But, they have a special hate for you and me because we would NOT tolerate being used and abused by a cult. So, let them hate away. I’m just so Glad to be Out of it.
watched this video and was wondering if any of you recall seeing this video besides on this presenter's youtube platform.
anyway, watch it !
it is disgusting but enlightening.
FOOLEDNOMORE:
I wonder if the Mr. Super Righteous Elder with his Mercedes 🙄 was the type to tell other people in the hall to ‘keep their eye simple’?
Nothing wrong with liking the finer things in life. Just don’t go telling somebody else to not get their college education and to pursue poverty... I saw the audacity of types like this back in the day telling me to quit my job and do housecleaning.. The poverty they were pushing was certainly not for them. Hell no. Just somebody else. I ignored them. Can everybody understand why I have no use for this religion??
As far as that guy looking at you and shaking his head:.. they are angry they lost an affluent family. You left and they are pissed. No doubt the tales got back to him about how Users who go to your stores expecting freebies left empty-handed. They are also angry they couldn’t manipulate your mom! They lost a good thing when you stopped going.
watched this video and was wondering if any of you recall seeing this video besides on this presenter's youtube platform.
anyway, watch it !
it is disgusting but enlightening.
SMIDDY3:
As I might have said in the past, I’m glad for you that things went better in Australia with regard to Witnesses having full-time jobs or college ed. This would mean fewer needy Witnesses in your area hitting retirement age unprepared!
I know it’s hard to believe but things are different in the USA in the JW religion. Maybe it’s because it originated here and/or is geographically closer to the ‘GB’.. As you have heard, people with full-time jobs in the Jehovah’s Witness religion and/or someone getting college are shunned to varying degrees - depending on who you are and if you’re related to anybody there.
It’s enough to make me shudder and cringe when I think about what could have happened if I allowed these control freaks to interfere in my life.. So, I got a reputation for being ‘independent’ which means they couldn’t ‘control’ me!
So glad I wasn’t raised a Witness and maybe this saved me(?) All I know is I’m Retired and glad I’m Out of there.. I followed my gut.. Who cares what popular types who got invited everywhere decades ago thought of me. Let them go ask their ‘spiritual’ friends for assistance.
watched this video and was wondering if any of you recall seeing this video besides on this presenter's youtube platform.
anyway, watch it !
it is disgusting but enlightening.
JOURNEYMAN:
I totally agree with your whole post. I wonder though if the Witness religion feels ‘married to’ their stand against college and is afraid to change it for fear they will look worse? They look bad enough as it is.
I totally agree that their stand against college is the teaching of ‘men’. I believe it had its origins in some uneducated elders or COs in the religion looking like fools when they had arguments with some college educated brothers in congregations. I once had an elder admit that ‘college educated brothers are harder to counsel’! There you have it. The religion couldn’t give a rat’s a$$ if people can’t feed themselves or keep a roof over their heads. All they care about is if they have servile followers with low self confidence.
Even though I’m long Out, I could never get over this.. As for what somebody said about ‘passive aggressive punishment’ towards somebody who goes against what they say: I experienced shunning because I refused to quit my full-time job. I knew I had to support myself. I’m now Retired.. The religion wouldn’t be supporting me or anyone else.
I see all the JWs who listened to their bad advice who didn’t get decent jobs/careers and are struggling today - like people who lost in a bad investment or pyramid scheme.
This hypocritical religion is beneath contempt and there is No forgiveness.
watched this video and was wondering if any of you recall seeing this video besides on this presenter's youtube platform.
anyway, watch it !
it is disgusting but enlightening.
RULES & REGULATIONS:
Yeah, what a load of nonsense! What nobody ever hears about is when people like her end up broke in a year or so and have to come off the pioneer list.
This whole dialogue against college/careers was heard I’m sure by many younger Witnesses over the years.. If any of these thousands of Witnesses unwisely kept on the pioneer list.. in an unpaid ministry daydreaming their whole lives, they had a rude awakening when it came time to Retire.. What recourse do they have??
This is why I’m Glad I never quit my full-time job like older affluent Witness busybodies wanted me to!!! I worked until Retirement. These JWs (who are now in their graves) aren’t even around to help anybody they misled!!!
I’m just Glad I never listened to any of it.
i’m agnostic so maybe the universe started by chance or by design.. if it was by design (hypothetically) and the bible is the designers word, and jws seem to be the closest to it, then what would be the largest things you would change?.
here are a few ideas.
-do away with the governing body thinking they are gods only channel.
GRREAT TEACHER:
You pretty much nailed the toxic culture and mindset of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I doubt this will change.
The ‘love bombing’ is phony and designed to keep people there. The ‘enmeshment’ part I absolutely hated with everybody wanting to know your business. If you were a young single woman like I was, there was no regard for your boundaries and these idiots imagined they could come up to you and ask or say anything!.. Maybe a married woman got somewhat more respect.
These intrusive older hypocrites with unwanted advice were certainly not looking out for my best interest and I made sure I kept this in mind.. I am especially referring to older people (who have gone to their graves after living a cushy life).. They had ALREADY made their living…yet they preached poverty to younger people like myself.
Thankfully for ME, I kept my job and their garbage went in one ear and out the other.
