JHINE:
When I left the JW religion years ago, I resumed celebrating the Holidays!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all!
so for those amongst us who celebrate the season .
merry christmas everyone.
.. jan from tam .
JHINE:
When I left the JW religion years ago, I resumed celebrating the Holidays!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all!
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
I know these changes making the JW religion into ‘JWLITE’ must be a disappointment to some hardliners there.. There must be a lot of conflicting and bad emotions for some - maybe because they sacrificed so much for ‘commands of men ‘.
But, as many have speculated, the religion probably wants to hold onto whatever people it has left. Only time will tell if these tactics work.
latest gb update.
only took them 20 years to see beards are acceptable in society.
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VIDIOT:
Clothing drives would imply real charity! Wouldn’t that be amazing.
latest gb update.
only took them 20 years to see beards are acceptable in society.
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Yes, first the shocking news at their annual meeting of No more time reporting. Now, beards are allowed. Of course, this is absurd because beards should never have Not been allowed. This is what happens when ‘commands of men’ are taught.
Will this news stop people from leaving???
Makes everybody wonder what more radical changes in the JW religion are coming soon down the road.
the difference is now blatantly obvious, older ones who went against direction of the gb and planned for retirement have relatively more comfortable lives.. those who trusted and followed gb direction never got further education or training, pioneered or spent most of their lives knocking on doors for free, making just enough to get by in a part time job.. if you followed direction from the gb then you thought the end was just around the corner so no need to plan for retirement.. now these ones have indeed got old which they were given the impression they never would.
they are a burden on others.
the state has to pay for them in their old age.
PHIZZY & TONUS OH:
Even those of us who planned for retirement still have to watch our pennies!!
I’m sorry I didn’t do even better for myself! So in that regard, I was also a victim of stupid talk that Armageddon was coming... I should have literally knocked myself out to save MORE.
But, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will say again that I will Not tolerate being targeted to give money to Witnesses who didn’t work/plan for the future.. What others tolerate is their business.
I couldn’t even be around a group of JWs now because they’d be asking for money. They would be trying to guilt trip with sob stories and I would end up having to tell somebody off. Not pleasant.
Nah, this is No good that anybody even believes the fallout from years of faulty teachings of No college/No careers falls on the few responsible rank & file left in the religion - which is why I’m Glad I’m not there being subjected to panhandling. This is a fallacy that needs to stop and no ex-JWs especially should be believing this!
the difference is now blatantly obvious, older ones who went against direction of the gb and planned for retirement have relatively more comfortable lives.. those who trusted and followed gb direction never got further education or training, pioneered or spent most of their lives knocking on doors for free, making just enough to get by in a part time job.. if you followed direction from the gb then you thought the end was just around the corner so no need to plan for retirement.. now these ones have indeed got old which they were given the impression they never would.
they are a burden on others.
the state has to pay for them in their old age.
JEHOVAXX:
Good post which I mostly agree with.
However, you say that: “Hardworking responsible people who did the opposite of what the GB said now pay for those that trusted the GB…”
Nope. I’m Glad I’m not in the religion anymore because it would certainly NOT be me who gives these people anything. I’m the one who got criticized/shunned for working!! I had to listen to remarks saying I was ‘unspiritual’. I’d be starving if I listened to the religion.
Brothers with businesses are going to have to help these people out in some way.
There are TOO many needy Witnesses who never worked. It’s absurd to imagine that the few responsible people left in the religion are going to give them handouts for the rest of their lives. This is unsustainable and if this is the ‘new normal’ in the JW religion I’m super Glad I’m long out of there!!!
i remember knowing that jcs would ask very personal questions about sex activities.
this article addresses this: https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15074595 .
MISS DA SILVA:
I heard stories about what was asked in judicial committees and it’s shocking! 😮
This is one of the hidden things about the religion that I wish was more widely publicized!
just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .
be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?
i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.
FEDUPJW:
That was 2012. I started my ‘Fade’ in 2001. I might have made a couple of memorials but haven’t set foot in a kh since then.
This is what I cannot stand: ..the absolute hypocrisy and selective memory loss of these people. I got criticized and shunned for a full time job. I accepted that they did not like me. But, what I do not accept, however, are any of them thinking they’ll look MY way for $$.
I remember it all like it was yesterday. The older JWs with cushy lives (already in the workforce) ..telling young people like me at the time to pursue poverty.. Yeah, the poverty that wasn’t good enough for them I might add.. Thankfully, I wasn’t raised in the “truth” and kept my job.. Boy, they all hated me like I had a scarlet letter written on my chest.. If I listened to these people years ago I’d be starving now. The sickest irony is that I would have been the last person to ever be helped! Nobody would feel sorry for me.
And I don’t have any tolerance for their rhetoric about a so-called brotherhood and I’m sure there’s a lot of crap talk like that there nowadays.
I perceive they are going to have major problems with needy people howling in pain. Whose fault is this? The religion told them not to get college or careers and not get retirement plans!! And what happens now when even MORE responsible working types leave the religion after these new changes? There will be even fewer people to corner with an envelope for money for people who didn’t work.
This is a horrible environment to be around and I feel sorry for the last few responsible individuals in the religion. They will be seen as walking ATMs.👎👎👎
just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .
be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?
i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.
FEDUPJW:
You don’t say how long ago this happened about you being ‘tapped for money’. You were chosen for being perceived as a responsible person who had a job.
So, this in fact does happen because I had somebody say to me that it never happened to them. But, I remember it happened to me years ago and I also had a woman panhandler at a memorial. I said ‘No’ to her.
If this was years ago when there was ‘hope’ people could still get back on their feet, I wonder what it’s like now. All these Boomer JWs have reached retirement age.. They aren’t getting back on their feet and would expect handouts the rest of their lives… They have no skills and spent decades in the ministry when I was criticized for being in the workforce.
I wonder what percentage of Witnesses in any congregation did not prepare financially?? I would guess a considerable number. Of course it may vary from some who did a little to some who did nothing.
This is why I’m Glad I got out of the JWs ages ago... I would never tolerate any of them coming up to me looking for money.. I’m sure this is the new ‘normal’ there and I would not put up with it!
if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.
i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.
now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..
MAGNUM:
You are totally right that people cannot grasp how all-consuming the Witness religion is.
Even lapsed or POMI people aren’t fully aware of this!!! I have felt frustrated with people I know who might have had exposure to the Witnesses when young - but never got involved. They lived their lives in the so-called ‘world’ with jobs, getting married, etc. having absolutely No idea what JWs who are ‘In’ go through!.. Even somebody I know who only went to the Sunday meeting and didn’t stay for the WT and attended the once a year memorial doesn’t fully comprehend.. This person doesn’t fully ‘get’ why I feel the way I do!
The reason for this is that the above mentioned meetings are for the general public and do NOT reveal what the JW religion is really all about!.. What saved me was that I HAD to work. Thankfully, I held onto that job they all hated me for. When I heard about them dropping the requirement to report hours, I despised them. I got persecuted over this.
We should ALL be glad we are out and savor freedom - taking one day at a time and enjoying the small but important things in life!