Posts by LongHairGal

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Members of congregation know it’s not true

by Mikejw in

we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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LongHairGal

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH:

I totally agree with your post.

The last few acquaintances I have in the Witness religion are in the younger Boomer age category. They are there because of ‘sunk cost fallacy’. In other words, they stayed at the party too long! These people also pioneered for long periods of time when younger and their income is now low. I can definitely see them asking the elders for help! They may know this and may figure they can’t leave because of this plus the ‘End is close’.

It’s sad because I remember everybody when young and so hopeful that the ‘new system’ would be here soon. NOW, they are older in a religion with faulty teachings and failed predictions!

I walked away soon after the 1995 Generation thing. I was on the ‘shit list’ because I worked full-time - and it was no loss since I had few friends there… But, I wouldn’t want to be in the religion now with all the needy people there who hardly worked.. Don’t want people coming up to me like I was their best friend…because they’re looking for money. I don’t need this.

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JW Leaders Do Intentionally Torture Their Members

by FragrantAddendum in

that's one of the reasons they're being shut down.

LongHairGal

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH:

The OP certainly has a point and I agree with your post.

You are especially right that they use those JWs who suffered physically, emotionally or economically as examples to shame other people in the religion. This never swayed me and I don’t think it swayed the smarter older people in the hall. You didn’t see them suffering or doing without!.. Nah, that was for some other fool.

I remember the stories recounted about what Witnesses went through during WWII. These people were made to sound saintly. There was a lot of talk of being thrown in jail during the great tribulation and having to share your crust of bread! The point to all this as far as I was concerned was they were trying to get people in the congregation accustomed to the idea that they were going to have to suffer and endure things and that they had to be ready to ‘give’.

There was also an arrogant vibe that I picked up on from mostly older people there (who are gone now). They really did imagine that other people were going sacrifice for them.

Of course I observed all this but I never really took this to heart that I would ever do any of this.. I was the young person who didn’t pioneer and got knocked for working.

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

LongHairGal

JHINE:

I agree with you. But the religion would see any opposition as grudge or persecution. They expect people to have the memory of a fly and forget what they did.

WING COMMANDER:

I know what your mom experienced with stupid jealous individuals. Although I was certainly Not ‘meek’.. But, I had a double whammy: I was criticized by some with No idea what it was like to work; they shunned me BUT some acted like I somehow ‘owed’ somebody something!! Anybody who thought this was delusional.. I never gave anything to these pioneers who chimed in with the chorus and criticized me for working.

I agree that these changes are a slap in the face - especially the one about no longer counting time.. Boy, am I glad I kept on working until retirement and never listened to these people.. As you say, it’s a giant STFU. I can’t even feel sorry for anybody still listening to them at this late date.. The religion and their ‘no apologies’ can shove it.

I still think they will lose more people over time and it won’t mean anything to some that they have ‘loosened up’ some things.

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

LongHairGal

PHIZZY:

I am glad you understand. And we are not talking about one individual here - but a large entity/corporation with an international presence.

As long as a person is getting on with their life and fairly happy, then they can spend time online to counter the JWs damaging teachings - without harming themselves.. We have been there so we know everything. I have always felt this religion should be exposed so that the whole world knows what’s really going on there and what the fruitage is.. And I don’t consider impoverished and/or depressed people on medication to be good fruitage for any group!

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

LongHairGal

I read something recently on Reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some JW told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.

This reminded me of something an old JW acquaintance said to me some years back when I related my bad experience in the religion.. So, apparently, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel they should be forgiven for ANYTHING. People should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… When I read in James and Ephesians I got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. I don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for God and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. I know because I experienced this.

In addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. One case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute JWs in senior years with nothing.

Then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry. Meanwhile, I got judged over this. I don’t know about anybody else, but this is not alright- not for people who sacrificed and did this.

Yeah, I hold a passive grudge in the sense that I could never forget that this could have been a nightmare for me if I had listened to them.. Sorry, but there’s no forgiveness as far as I am concerned for an immense sin of this nature.

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Key Criticisms of the Organization

by Vanderhoven7 in

just picked this summary up.

"some of the key criticisms that have been raised about the jehovah's witness organization include:.

strict control and authoritarianism: the organization is highly centralized, with major decisions being made by the governing body.

LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

All those points are true and show that the Witness religion is toxic on so many levels.

The most dangerous of these points in my opinion are: (6) restrictions on medical treatment; (4) child abuse cases; and (2) shunning practices which can lead to suicide.

The points I was affected by were the: (1) strict control and authoritarianism; and (3) suppression of free thought and questioning.. The busybodies in the religion tried to interfere in my personal life. They tried to pressure me to quit a full-time job in order to do the ‘approved’ housecleaning and pioneering.. I refused.

I also ran into problems with their suppression of free thought and questioning. Couldn’t help that I was a natural critical thinker and inquisitive person.. This didn’t go over well there!

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New instructions on not using sisters to manage KH computer ?

by fifth.column in

since covid in france, especially in the countryside with lack of brothers, it was quite common that some sisters were using the computer at the back of the kingdom hall to manage zoom session.. i heard a rumor that new instructions, maybe a july letter, stated that this was reserved for male only, even unbaptised publishers, but no sister if there is at least a male available.

that would be a steps back and disappointment for these sisters.

last week i heard at my mom’s house how they were happy that this service was available for them, a proof that the org was moving forward.

LongHairGal

FEDUP JW:

I know what you mean about cleaning toilets.

I might have helped cleaning a few times in the earlier years of my being in the JW religion - but thereafter I declined. Bullshit on that.

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Re-activate me?

by punkofnice in

there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.

i guess to re-activate me.

once they said who they were i recognised them.

LongHairGal

PUNK OF NICE:

I had JWs come to my door last summer (two brothers). I am a longtime ‘Fader’…

They were just in the area and weren’t specifically looking for me because nobody knows me here.. I was polite to them but told them plainly that I am Out and would not go back and would never tolerate JWs coming up to me asking for money.

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Greeting a person(who was removed from the congregation) at the Kingdom Hall now becomes a matter of conscience

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | august 2024. help for those who are removed from the congregation.

14 does what we have considered mean that we would completely ignore a person who has been removed from the congregation?

not necessarily.

LongHairGal

RULES & REGULATIONS:

Yes, all these changes are probably as a result of the JW lawyers advising them.

I was reading a Reddit post where somebody said some CO told an elder to reinstate as many disfellowshipped (um ‘removed’) people as they can.

The religion must be hurting with so many leaving! It didn’t seem so long ago that they were eager to disfellowship people from the religion.. They arrogantly imagined somebody was going to come crawling on their belly to come back. Meanwhile twisted idiots with an axe to grind would withhold reinstatement from somebody they didn’t like. They were playing ‘God’ with people’s lives.

Now they are begging people to come back! Years ago banks would offer free gifts as an incentive.🤣 Just kidding but you get my point.. The religion needs some ‘rice Christians’ to fill the empty seats there!

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Givers and Takers

by wanderlustguy in

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i had a teacher in jr. high in my advanced education class talk about givers and takers as a subject.

looking back, perhaps she was going through a rough patchmakes me wonder.. this morning i had one of those moments of realization, basically from reviewing recent events, and even more so because i was mentally rehashing some conversations with someone who means a lot to me.

it dawned on me the role she has come to play in one of the major events of her life, as well as who she became because of it.

LongHairGal

HOSER:

I’m sorry this happened to you, but Jehovah’s Witnesses are Users with a Capital ‘U’.. I hope you did well and are okay all these years later.

It sounds like you were raised in.. I came in as a young working adult. Being from the ‘world’ 🙄, I was not raised a ‘people pleaser’, but was taught to look out for myself and therefore was less susceptible to the Users and opportunists in the Witness religion.. I was viewed negatively since I worked full-time, so I never gave handouts to pioneers who didn’t like me because I worked.. They could go ask somebody else for charity!….But I was hypersensitive to the issue and made sure if someone drove in FS I gave them money for gas or paid for their lunch.

So many problems now for older people because the religion told them not to get careers but to be in the ministry instead.👎

As an observer, I believe the JWs are a failing belief system and all the chickens are coming home to roost!! .. Armageddon didn’t come to save them from the fallout of failed predictions and faulty teachings… They have lawsuits galore and are changing teachings many people based their lives on and suffered for.👎 They look very bad.