Posts by LongHairGal

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

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friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

LongHairGal

EXBETHELITENOWPIMA:

Well then, I guess it’s not a figment of anybody’s imagination.. According to this, it would appear the JW religion is starting a slow turn in the direction of saving for the future.

They are starting by quoting a few bible passages that say what intelligent people knew all along: you have to put aside money. Then in time it will be like they ‘always said that’. Meanwhile, we all know they did not.

Again, this sage advice is too late for the millions of JWs who bought into the ‘no career & don’t save for retirement or else you have no faith and the envious people in the hall won’t approve’ stance..

Those of us who didn’t follow the misery-loves-company crowd in the religion and never listened to that ridiculous ‘advice’ are ever grateful we didn’t!

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HOW TO BE LOYAL TO JEHOVAH

by liam in

a post from another exjw site, shows how throughout the years, in a regular, systematic fashion, the watchtower has influence thoroughly; an ideological point of view, in the minds of it’s members by using bible scriptures and examples, to get the members to do the unthinkable, even if it clashes with modern ethics.

february 2016 watchtower, paragraph 3 of the article titled .

"learn from jehovah’s loyal servants".

LongHairGal

LIAM:

Thanks for the compliment but I may have had an advantage because I wasn’t raised in the JW religion!

Sometimes the so-called ‘world’ doesn’t like critical thinkers either especially if it’s calling into question somebody’s agenda!!

Back several decades ago when the Witness religion seemed ‘more scholarly’ , many intelligent people got involved.. In time, some of them became disillusioned when all was not what it seemed.. Others stuck around because of that word ‘loyalty’. They were and are captive because of it. Everybody leaves for different reasons. Even though I was persona non grata because I worked full-time, the last straw for me was the 1995 Generation change. I was done with it.

The word ‘loyalty’ didn’t enter my mind at that point because I didn’t believe anything the religion said anymore.

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

LongHairGal

JOHNR1975:

As was said several posts back, I believe the JW religion wants to have it both ways. They are walking a tightrope with this. On one hand, they can’t make it sound like the End is a long time away. On the other hand, they want to make it sound that they put it out there (subtly) that people should prepare for their future.

I’m sure they know now that their teaching of no college/no careers has caused millions to be poor and reach retirement unprepared because they were told Armageddon would be coming to save them.. I thank God I never fell for this.

You say “they don’t want millions of old JWs in hardship…”. How kind. What I believe they REALLY think is “we do not want to appear to be the reason all these people are in hardship…”. There, I fixed it for you.

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HOW TO BE LOYAL TO JEHOVAH

by liam in

a post from another exjw site, shows how throughout the years, in a regular, systematic fashion, the watchtower has influence thoroughly; an ideological point of view, in the minds of it’s members by using bible scriptures and examples, to get the members to do the unthinkable, even if it clashes with modern ethics.

february 2016 watchtower, paragraph 3 of the article titled .

"learn from jehovah’s loyal servants".

LongHairGal

LIAM:

I have been out of the Jehovah’s Witness religion for over 23 years. I did a ‘Fade a couple of years after the 1995 thing.

I remember reading in recent years on the forum about the famous statement you quoted: “We must be ready to obey even if it doesn’t make sense....”.

Shouldn’t a statement like this have made intelligent people wonder what’s going on? Like what are they going to be asked to do? I’m convinced that all the intelligent people in the religion should have already headed for the door - especially after the recent changes.. The rest are hopeless and captive because of family, etc… Others are just in sleep mode and they don’t care what is taught.

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Make America Great Again.......Maybe...........For all you on Social Security.

by liam in

so there's a bill called the social security fairness act that "might" help those on social security.

the bill is something trump said he would push for once he become president.of course there is some rinos and democrats who don't want the bill because they still want to fund wars that americans have no business getting involved.

all the president has to do is signed it "if" he makes it into office.. this could go in effect as soon as next year.

LongHairGal

LIAM:

Yes, I am glad I worked. Not gloating over anybody who was misled into thinking they didn’t have to. I cringe when I think what could have happened to me if I were gullible.

I actually had young Witnesses my age back in the day scoff at me. They felt I should have been doing full time ministry like they were. Even though part of me felt they were having a good time (they were invited everywhere), I couldn’t bring myself to quit my job.

And then…. I saw ALL the older people in the congregation who were collecting SS and pensions. They had obviously been in the workforce and I don’t mean housecleaning either. I also noticed ‘intelligent’ people there found a way and were making money. No offense to anybody, but I observed that people who did housecleaning were mostly younger women who lived with their family.. No way they could pay rent by themselves.. Or, a married woman who did housecleaning to make a little extra money.. DON’T forget she had a husband paying the major bills!

So, I realized to myself that I’d be OUT of my mind if I quit my decent job with benefits and IRA to do housecleaning (manual labor and chemicals) with no benefits.🤣

So, I paid no mind to the JWs and didn’t care what they thought.. They weren’t paying my bills nor would they be supporting me in retirement. Fast forward to now, all those young pioneers have reached senior years mostly unprepared whereas I am. If I were around them now they would surely resent me and expect me to give them $$. My answer would be NO. There you have it.

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Make America Great Again.......Maybe...........For all you on Social Security.

by liam in

so there's a bill called the social security fairness act that "might" help those on social security.

the bill is something trump said he would push for once he become president.of course there is some rinos and democrats who don't want the bill because they still want to fund wars that americans have no business getting involved.

all the president has to do is signed it "if" he makes it into office.. this could go in effect as soon as next year.

LongHairGal

LIAM:

Yes. I have heard some JWs collect SSI benefits and yet pioneer.👎

But, some people (not just Witnesses) mistakenly think they can get regular SS even if they never worked.

Maybe if some JW with a long life once worked in their earlier years on more than one job and pioneered later in life 🤣 - they could possibly fall into the category of somebody who qualifies under the Fairness Act and they could benefit. But, this is far fetched and this would be an extremely rare JW indeed.

All in all, the religion’s pushing people to pioneer and not work may possibly lead to those who try to get money any way they can.👎

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Make America Great Again.......Maybe...........For all you on Social Security.

by liam in

so there's a bill called the social security fairness act that "might" help those on social security.

the bill is something trump said he would push for once he become president.of course there is some rinos and democrats who don't want the bill because they still want to fund wars that americans have no business getting involved.

all the president has to do is signed it "if" he makes it into office.. this could go in effect as soon as next year.

LongHairGal

LIAM:

I don’t know where you live but here in the USA you have had to pay into Social Security. Sorry to tell you, but you don’t get anything if you didn’t work unless your spouse was eligible.

First, a person has to work 10 years just to begin to be eligible. Then they have to work for decades earning a decent wage. That means full time work. Anybody who worked part time would get a minuscule amount nobody could live on. So, those pioneers you mentioned who hardly worked at all wouldn’t get much.

Regarding the Fairness Act: those who worked jobs with a (federal?) pension could not get SS for time they worked on jobs with no pension but who paid some taxes into Social Security. This new bill would enable them to get something from SS in addition to their pension.

And SSI is for somebody who can prove disability.

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

LongHairGal

BIAHI:

Thanks, but in my case I came INTO the JW religion (in my 20s) already with the job!

But those older busybody Witnesses with cushy lives wasted no time trying to urge me to quit and take up clearing & pioneering as this was the ‘acceptable’ thing to do - for women anyway.. I refused..I just couldn’t bring myself to do this.. So, I was marginalized (not considered spiritual 🙄) and not invited to those special dinners and gatherings. I was barred from certain cliques. But, it was worth every penny in my later years that I paid no attention to them.

Maybe it was my Catholic non-JW upbringing and remembering dad’s wisdom that saved me from making a huge mistake. Who knows?

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

LongHairGal

BALAAMSASS2:

Those are horrible cringeworthy stories you relate about Witnesses who never planned for retirement.

It is scary enough when people DO plan for retirement and have their Medicare/insurance, etc. and get sick.. How much worse is it when somebody has nothing? And doing a dangerous job on ladders at an advanced age is suicidal.😮 It’s third-world living in a first world country. All unnecessary and preventable.

Too bad enough people in the world don’t know this about the Jehovah’s Witnesses. But, yet the religion will go along on its merry way selling their buildings, changing and morphing into an online religion.. Whatever gullible die-hards are left who gave up their lives for this sham will be left high and dry.. All that’s left will be their laptop and a computer connection. Their wonderful religion will have disappeared like the guy in the ‘Wizard of Oz’ waving Bye! in the hot air balloon!

Words can’t describe how I feel that I once blundered into this religion. I am SO grateful that I worked and never followed the crowd there and that I got the hell out.👍🏻

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Merry Christmas, Then And Now

by NotFormer in

jw
friends

when you were in, how did you react when someone wished you a merry christmas?

was there ever a wt article about it?

what there ever car group around-the-water-cooler talk about that sort of experience and how to deal with it*?.

LongHairGal

HEREIAM60:

Yes, in the end it was better what you did to just say Thanks and not bother with any boring explanation about paganism (when other things are pagan).

Otherwise, Witnesses can end up sounding like “Bah, Humbug” and Mr. Scrooge or worse - have people feeling sorry for you and getting you a gift because they think you’re pathetic and that’s how I must’ve appeared.

It’s true that the world doesn’t even care to understand why a silly group doesn’t want to celebrate Christmas. They are too busy getting together with friends/family relationships which are IMPORTANT things... I came to understand that because I was raised Catholic so Christmas was natural to me - then I experienced the needless isolation in the Witness religion. Never again..

When I finally got the hell out of the Witness religion - Christmas became natural once again!