QUEEQUEG:
I’d like to see his explanation too but maybe it’s just another JW hit-and-run type of answer: in other words…no real substance and just knocking you for leaving the religion.
LongHairGal
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Our First Christmas Tree
by Queequeg inearly on, after we left jw land, my wife said to me, “i hope you don’t care, but i don’t ever see myself doing any christmas stuff.
i don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” we agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise i didn’t care.
now… there’s a 16’ douglas fir with ornaments and lights in our living room.
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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LongHairGal
FISHERMAN:
Sorry for derailing MUM’s thread but I have to disagree with you.
First of all, I got baptized before they changed those questions. I NEVER agreed to serve any organization or FDS and do not accept theirs or any other religionists’ assertion of ‘authority’. As far as I was concerned, I served the creator of the universe by whatever name He is called.. But the whole thing was misrepresented to me. A bait and switch. I’m done with it and religion in general.
I also disagree with what your reasoning is about why they dislike education. The bad association thing is nonsense especially if you’re older; I agree with evolution and philosophy and critical thinking. God gave us a brain to use! I still believe the reason the elder told me!
I also disagree with yours and their view of ‘pursuing a career’. When I came into the JWs..ALL the older people were collecting their pensions. They worked. I had to work as well to support myself. These hypocrites made sure I was shunned but thankfully I ignored them. I would not be retired today if I listened to these people. They would not be supporting me! Maybe this doesn’t mean anything to you - but it means a whole lot to me!
Trusting in God?? What about the thousands of needy JWs in halls all over who reached retirement age unprepared who are at poverty level. Are you not in reality that they are this way because the religion misled them?
Well, you and other JWs can believe what they want - and they do believe a lot of fallacies.. Glad I’m OUT as I would have No tolerance to be pestered for money to give to people who felt the ministry was their career instead of a real honest-to-goodness paying job. They wouldn’t be caught dead in one. Well, I have No pity for them.
These misled ‘ministers’ can go ask the religion since that’s who they were working for.. Or, maybe they can ask you? ☺️
(MUM, I apologize for this! Merry Christmas.)
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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LongHairGal
FISHERMAN:
I agreed with your explanation up until you said: “the FDS having God given authority over the JW..” But, I’m not getting into it.
But thanks for seeing that they have more than one reason why they don’t want JWs to celebrate holidays.. Of course, they won’t say this second reason out loud!
Not to derail the thread: but it’s kind of similar to their discouraging followers from going to college. Their real reason is that they dislike educated people because they are ‘harder to counsel’. I had an elder admit this.
But, getting back to the holidays, there’s the reason they state publicly - and then there’s the REAL reason that is less agreeable to hear.
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The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!
by koolaid-man inwhat happened in bonham, texas?
: the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.
and with that, they took the kingdom hall.
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LongHairGal
THOMAS MORE:
I also do not believe their numbers are 8.5 million publishers. If anything, maybe it’s half that - more or less.
And, that’s not taking into account the unknown number of how many JWs there are ‘faking it’ so they can associate with their families there.
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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LongHairGal
MUM:
I’ve said this elsewhere. My opinion of JWs not approving of the holidays is not ‘just’ because they say the holidays are ‘pagan’.. I think that’s a convenient surface excuse.
Everything has pagan origins including the calendar among other things. My experience in the JW religion led me to believe they don’t want you celebrating the holidays because they do not want you associating with your non-Witness relatives and friends. I believe they are afraid of you experiencing unconditional love and friendship from people who are not judging you.. So, I believe this is about isolating and separating the JW. This is likely the REAL reason.. I especially believe this to be true in my case back when I was in.
They are afraid you might not want to remain in the JW religion once you catch on!
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Best Xmas Songs
by peacefulpete inmy favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsdg9qtjzzi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uudu66e_vw.
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LongHairGal
I like the old fashioned Christmas songs I heard when I was a child the most: Home for the Holidays, It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year, Jingle Bell Rock, etc. I also like a few more modern ones.
Being as I was raised Catholic I remember the religious songs: Hark the Herald Angels Sing. I guess even The Little Drummer Boy is religious. I love them all even the somewhat ‘less traditional’ ones like Santa Baby. 😊
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Broadcast November
by Hellothere inwhat was your opinion about november broadcast with tony morris( maeby it's december)?
saw small parts of it.
i thought it was extrem desperation.
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LongHairGal
MUM:
Yeah, like not going to the meetings..🤣
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Watchtower Study : Jehovah Is Helping You To Succeed
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | january 2023. study article 3. jehovah is helping you to succeed.
how jehovah makes you successful.
13. does jehovah intervene in every situation we face?
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LongHairGal
FEDUP:
Again, sorry about your parents and how they were cast aside and ignored in their old age - after you once said ALL they did for the religion.
In my case, I’d never expect anything from the congregation because they never got so much as the right time from me.🤣 But, that’s what happens when you shun people because of their jobs.
In the OP, who knows if this is a real person. While I don’t doubt that sometimes the ‘Friends’ could be kind bringing over soup, etc., in my opinion the article might give a wrong impression to people in the hall who have unrealistic expectations about other JWs. For instance: they might imagine somebody there is going to pay their bills.
I knew I was on my own and had to look after myself.
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1969 Awake on Education - A Sore Spot for Me
by NotBlind inmy father would have started college 49 years ago this week.
about three months earlier, the week he graduated high school, the awake!
magazine came out with some very clear direction to teenagers.
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LongHairGal
I decided to bump this four year old thread to the top. The OP made an excellent post. It’s one of the best I’ve read on this subject. There are so many new posters on the forum in the last few years.
This topic about JWs who never got a career or a good job decades ago and are suffering this very day has been mentioned lately. There are TOO many needy people scraping by in the religion. Sadly, this 1969 Awake article might have been the reason why in some cases.
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Keep telling yourself that!
by Lost in the fog inin the latest copy of the elders textbook someone kindly made available to us on this website, i see that "independently organized meetings for spiritual feeding" are still not allowed.
no wonder because independent research would let the scales fall from the eyes.. the gb still insisting that they are guided by the (always lower case) holy spirit and the bible!!
not that the rank and file members need the bible or holy spirit themselves because they are fed through meetings, conventions, assemblies, jw broadcasting and the publications.
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LOST IN THE FOG:
After what happened in the early 1980s with some JWs who talked or studied privately, and ended up leaving the religion - there was a crackdown on independent groups.
It didn’t matter how well-intentioned anything appeared. If it wasn’t under the supervision of the control freaks in the hall they wanted it stopped. They are THAT afraid of anybody questioning or thinking on their own.