i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
LV101:
Yes, and in these cases, they are certainly not obliged to forgive!
I cannot get over the arrogance and delusion of people in the religion - like my old acquaintance who imagined I was going to give money to JWs who criticized me for working!.. They instead believed they should be in the ministry ringing doorbells for 40 years and as a result - did not pay enough into SS.. Very sad but this is not my problem.
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
LV101:
I assume you are referring to people harmed by the religion(?) Many have died over the years so there’s no justice for them.
The ones living who fell for the bullshit and never got a career and have reached retirement age unprepared, are in a terrible predicament!
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
I am just seeing a post on Reddit: “You Are Not Obligated to Forgive”.
The person posted a paragraph from an Awake article, 6/8/95, pp 9-11.. [I do not have any of the religion’s literature in my possession anymore to verify so I take her word for it.]. She dredged it up because years earlier they tried to get her to go back to her ex-husband who never apologized. The end of the paragraph says: ..”No victim of extremes in unjust or cruel treatment should be forced to forgive an unrepentant wrongdoer.” ..There it is.
This is how I view the religion and the people in it in their treatment of others there (shunning, unchristian attitudes) over many decades.. A lot of what went on there severely impacted some people’s lives. These people can never get justice.
The average Witness does not get a ‘pass’ as far as I am concerned. (And what I experienced was minor compared to what others suffered there).. Some may disagree and say ‘they were just following orders’.. I don’t accept this attitude - that or the other excuse of ‘imperfection’ that everybody loves to trot out.
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
LAURA LYNN:
No worries. It’s just a general etiquette that you learn when you’re on a forum.
We might have all done it and it’s not a big deal if it’s one post but only when the discussion goes way off in another direction. No ‘grudges’ here. 😊 I’ll save those for something more deserving, like the JW religion.
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
Getting back to my topic: I have encountered attitudes in general that it is not ‘Christian’ to hold a grudge. I might agree depending on what the grudge is about and who committed the wrong.
Some (whether in the ex-JW community or not) have an attitude that ‘we’ should move on. Which is another way of saying forget all about it.. Now, everybody’s experience in the Witness religion is not equal. I was a single woman who worked and got marginalized and criticized over this. No big deal since I never listened and walked away from the religion.
But, what about others who lost loved ones over the blood doctrine or suffered over shunning or CSA and other numerous horror stories economic and whatever?.. They were much more harmed there than I ever was. Compared to them, I only suffered hurt feelings.
I suppose what bothers me about the whole thing is the never-ending (at least not yet) entity responsible for all this! It just goes on and on….with no apologies.
https://youtu.be/k2hwesvuddq?si=7g6pvmqvcfh-cke4.
NEWLY ENLIGHTENED:
I am so sorry to hear about this, especially how the work he did may have harmed his health….He is a dear man and I am sorry I never had the privilege to speak to him on the phone or in person.
Wishing all the best to his family at this difficult time.
*w60 2/1 80 - 17 there may be rare instances where a child is so hardened in its stubbornness that even the rod of correction cannot drive it out.
in the days of israel parents were instructed by jehovah to take such a rebel to the city fathers and they, in turn, took the incorrigible one out and stoned him to death.
there were no juvenile delinquents under such a system.
NOT FORMER:
Good for them that they are not in the JW religion today.
I personally knew of two instances where Witness children were either told they had to leave home or their life was made so miserable that they were compelled to leave. Not sure if one or both had themselves legally emancipated. They both ended up fine.
This spoke volumes against the religion and made me grateful I was not raised in it. It just seemed to me back then that the religion was so arrogant and on its high horse. It just makes you wonder how many foolish JWs disowned their children years ago.👎
Now, they are old and imagining the religion is going to care for them. HA! What a delusion. The hateful religion’s answer to this is to tell them to look up these thirty+ years estranged kids for assistance!
Good luck with that.
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
VIENNE:
In plain English, you are being rude and immature after it was pointed out to you. Before, you might not have realized it. Start your own thread. It’s easy.
You are off topic.
i started doubting the organization when i was 15. i spent the next 12 years doing in-depth research involving numerous emails with bible scholars and scientists.
i finally left the organisation 3 years ago.
technically i was never actually a jw as i was never baptised, so i’m not being shunned.
XAMINEWT:
Regarding that Cedar Point convention: I didn’t buy it either.
Even when I was ‘in’, I NEVER believed that anything that happened in the Jehovah’s Witness religion was the fulfillment of anything in the Bible.
I kept this to myself but I never believed it.
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
LAURA LYNN & VIENNE:
Very interesting but why dont you start your OWN thread instead of hijacking somebody else’s?? This is very annoying that people do this.
This thread is about holding a grudge against something or someone who is not sorry for anything they did!
