Posts by blindersoff

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Elder school notes, Part 2: hysterical screed against education continues

by sir82 in

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continuing this morning's notes, in the same format.... talk 5: overview - organized to do jehovah's will - brother bethel-coot.

synopsis: general high level review of contents of new "organized to do jehovah's will" (od) book.

pointed out how to use index (duh!

blindersoff

Sir82

You're the man

It is hard to believe how we used to 'hang on every word'. And the frustration of going back home & trying to impliment all this junk.

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"Kinder cuts draw faithful fans " --article about JW bloodless surgery.

by LDH in

i like the way the say some would just "bleed out.".

http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=32615.

in hundreds of surgeries a year, doctors take bloodless route .

blindersoff

Perhaps I should change the thread title to "My what big titties you have!!!"

Yes that would prob'ly do it. But, may I suggest framing it in question form---How big are your titties?

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Sexual Abuse Memories are implanted by Satan, so Forget & Endure Them

by Gerard in

this article is ourageous!

and it is on the first page of the wt's web site!

comfort for those with a "stricken spirit"

Thanks for sharing that info. You make some very enlightning points. I was an elder for decades (mostly in small congregations) , but I must admit that I have no experience with any of this. The only case I ever heard of was in another cong & the guy (not a servant) was DF.

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49

Circuit Overseers

by Outaservice in

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our congregation had some of the best circuit overseers money could buy!.

outaservice

blindersoff

Once, when times were hard for us, a CO gave me $20.

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Sexual Abuse Memories are implanted by Satan, so Forget & Endure Them

by Gerard in

this article is ourageous!

and it is on the first page of the wt's web site!

comfort for those with a "stricken spirit"

blindersoff

They should be reporting them to the "worldly" authorities, who will delve right into it and dig for clues, they just won't sweep the information under the proverbial rug because there were not 2 or 3 witnesses to the crime.

Sorry to be a pain, but I'm still stuck on my example (for personal reasons).

The victim does not need anyones permission to report a crime to the authorities. If they come up with something solid, then the elders have a basis for action & those who are trained to take care of such things will have done the work for them. If the authorities come up with nothing, who can blame the elders for same conclusion? Sorry if this is oversimplifying.

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Elders' School this weekend

by atypical in

i don't know if this is true all over the country, but here they are having the elders' school this coming weekend.

i was wondering if there is anybody here who will be going.

if so, i hope we will be getting the scoop afterwards...........

blindersoff

Someone did already and posted it here. Sorry, I don't have the link.

I believe that was in regard to the MS meeting. I'm counting on Sir82 to give us the scoop on the elders school

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Anybody here who still has faith in God and belief in the Bible?

by Sheepish in

there seems to be a lot of folks here who are bitter and want nothing to do with organized religion (understandable!

) or the belief in a god who cares about us, and has a "plan".or even anyone who has actually read and studied the bible, and understands what's going on it it.

so many just take stuff out of context looking for "mistakes" and loopholes.

blindersoff

Peachy,

I want to believe I really do. But I think I am going through some stage right now.
I read in another thread today that it has to come naturally. So I am not going to force any way of thinking/belief on my self. I'll just let my subconcious work it out for me at the moment...

I have come to the same conclusion. It is sooo hard to get past this 'there has to be ONE true organization' concept.

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Anybody here who still has faith in God and belief in the Bible?

by Sheepish in

there seems to be a lot of folks here who are bitter and want nothing to do with organized religion (understandable!

) or the belief in a god who cares about us, and has a "plan".or even anyone who has actually read and studied the bible, and understands what's going on it it.

so many just take stuff out of context looking for "mistakes" and loopholes.

blindersoff

When one has believed so long & so strong & trusted those whom we felt knew more than we did because of their 'inside track', & found it to be a 'bag full of holes', it is very easy to 'throw out the baby with the bathwater.

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details in comm. meeting?

by myvalk in

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anyone have any idea how much details of the wrongdoing the elders will be asking in a comm.

meeting?

and does refusal to answer mean im getting df'd?

blindersoff

Here are some directions to the elders from the elders secret manual

UNIT 5 (b)

111

You must ask pertinent, discreet questions to isolate main
issues and determine how or why a problem developed.

Probing questions should not go into needless details,
especially in regard to sexual misconduct, unless this is
absolutely necessary, such as in determining whether
por-nei'a had been committed.

Elders need to treat the accused kindly and respectfully,
never harshly. (w89 9/15 p. 19)

In cases where it is established that a serious sin was actually committed, the judicial committee should con-
sider such factors as these:

Is there evidence of the person's craving wrongful things
or courting trouble? Or did the person momentarily
succumb to weakness? (Jas. 4:1 )

Was he aware of the gravity of his sin? (Gal. 6:1 )

Had he been admonished that his course was leading
toward danger? (1 Thess. 5:14)

What were the circumstances leading up to the wrong-
doing?

Are there extenuating factors, such as emotional or
mental disorders or having been a victim of some type
of abuse in the past, that should be considered?

Was it a single offense, or was it committed more than
once?

112

"Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"

Was his confession voluntary, or did he have to be ac-
cused by others before confessing?

Was his reluctance to speak more a result of deep shame
than of lack of repentance?

Above all does he show true repentance and manifest a
heartfelt desire to avoid repetition of the wrong?

It is in the person's favor if he voluntarily confesses,
but the determining factor is: Is he repentant?

There is good reason for you to weigh carefully claims of
repentance when the individual has shown himself to be
guilty of hypocrisy, lying, or making deliberate efforts to
deceive.

Also be cautious when it is apparent that the wrong act
was preceded by deliberate scheming, perhaps in a cold,
calculating way.

This is quite different from when an individual, under
the unexpected pressure ot certain tempting circum-
stances, gives in because of human weakness.

It is particularly important to be sure genuine repen-tance exsts in cases of repeated sin, a practice of sin.

If gross sin extended over a long period of time, particular
care should be exercised in determining the genuineness of
the repentance. (w81 9/1 p. 26)

Is the person cooperative? When questioned, are his
answers forthright?

Was fear and weakness the reason he did not come
forward and confess, or is he wicked, trying to fool the
congregation?

Has he been counseled before for this sin?

Repentance is generally manifested by works that befit repentance either before or during the committee hear-
ing. (Compare Acts 26:20. )

How true repentance can be recognized:

Has the individual contritely prayed to Jehovah and
sought His forgiveness and mercy?

Caution: Some wrongdoers, though repentant, find
it difficult to pray. (Jas. 5:14 )

Has he admitted his wrongdoing, either voluntarily to
some of the elders before the hearing or when con-
fronted by his accusers?

Caution: Some people are so deeply ashamed that
they are reluctant to speak. Or they have difficulty
expressing themselves.

Has he made restitution, expressed willingness to do so,
or apologized to offended persons, those damaged by
his sinful course?

114

"Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"

What seems to motivate the sadness, remorse, and
regret he shows? Is it worldly sadness (sorrow over
being caught) or heartfelt godly sadness? (2 Cor. 7:
8-11 )

Does he have deep regret over a damaged relation-
ship with Jehovah, remorse over the reproach he has
brought upon Jehovah's name and people, and sincere
longing to come back into God's favor?

Does his attitude include a heart-motivated rejection of
the bad course as something repugnant, hated? (Rom.
12:9)

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Sexual Abuse Memories are implanted by Satan, so Forget & Endure Them

by Gerard in

this article is ourageous!

and it is on the first page of the wt's web site!

comfort for those with a "stricken spirit"

blindersoff

Lady Lee

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