What is the profit of man if he gains the whole world but looses his soul.
Or some variation on that as Im probly getting it wrong
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by PAJA inwhat is the profit of man if he gains the whole world but looses his soul.
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or some variation on that as im probly getting it wrong
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My JW G.F.-- Told parents about wanting to marry me. UPDATE
by PAJA inwell as from my earlier posts, my jw gf told her parents she wanted to marry me last saturday.
they gave her the guilt treatment about not being a good jw and how marrage to a non jw is a sin etc.
and when i saw her monday she said she could not marry me anymore.
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Actually I think the whole deal of her not showing here feelings to me anymore is her parents idea, I think thats what she wants to tell me tomorrow. That she is going to hold her feelings in and see if I still become a JW (shes been trying to get me to join, though will not help in anyway, only tells me I should schedual a "talk" at my house to learn more)
Parents-"Dont show him any love and see if he still wants to be a JW, if he doesnt, then that means he only wanted to do it to be with you."
I think thats BS!
If they were true Christians they would welcome me into their lives no matter who I am!
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My JW G.F.-- Told parents about wanting to marry me. UPDATE
by PAJA inwell as from my earlier posts, my jw gf told her parents she wanted to marry me last saturday.
they gave her the guilt treatment about not being a good jw and how marrage to a non jw is a sin etc.
and when i saw her monday she said she could not marry me anymore.
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Her father is an elder and loves to quote the bible.......
I just found one I'm going to send her:
Colossians 3:21
YOU fathers, do not be exasperating your children, so that they do not become downhearted. -
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My JW G.F.-- Told parents about wanting to marry me. UPDATE
by PAJA inwell as from my earlier posts, my jw gf told her parents she wanted to marry me last saturday.
they gave her the guilt treatment about not being a good jw and how marrage to a non jw is a sin etc.
and when i saw her monday she said she could not marry me anymore.
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Well as from my earlier posts, my JW GF told her parents she wanted to marry me last Saturday.
They gave her the guilt treatment about not being a good JW and how marrage to a non JW is a sin etc. etc. etc. And when I saw her Monday she said she could not marry me anymore.
"You cant marry him because hes not JW and it says so in the bible"
"Your not faithfull in the eyes of God"
"Your not a true JW"
She did not openly admit this but when I said that I knew they were, she just looked at the floor almost crying.
Then she quickly spurted out;
"Its my choice, not theres, they said I can do what ever I want."
To which I responded that although they may have said that, I knew they were giving her tons of pressure and making her feel guilty.
She again looked the floor and slowly nodded "yes"
I asked her how I knew they were doing that? She replied:
"Because people that dont like us told you that"
We had a long talk but she kept insisting it was her choice and she was only doing what the bible says, not what here parents told her to do.
Well Ive been out of work for 3 days so I have not seen her and there has only been sparatic text messages from her durring the time she is at work but not after she gets home(gee I wonder why)
So she sent one particular text message yesterday that said she still is in love with me...
"even if she doesnt show or say it anymore"
I asked her what she ment but did not recive an answer.
So this morning we exchanged a few more messages, her telling me that she will talk to me tomorrow when I come back to work and that she is really stressed and upset.
In one of the messages I again asked why she is holding back her feelings for me, that I know they cant be gone.
She simply replied "I havent said there gone"
I again asked her why, that its wrong to hold back the feelings that God gave us but she has not responded back (shes home now)
So my guess is that they are pounding her like crazy with guilt and "talks" etc. etc. etc.
I guess Im venting more than anything!
But does anyone have some suggestions on things I could text her about her holding back her love now?
And about how she doesnt have to do EVERYTHING her parents say to win Gods love.
(they hit her up allot with the obey your "honor your father & mother" verse)
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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Thanks jaffacake for the help with that.
And thanks to all who have helped so far!
The help has been awsome and I cant thank you all enough, all I ask is that you keep checking back here over the next few days and maybe send a prayer or two her way. I plan on putting this all togeather and giving it to her, so I no doubt will have more questions.
After she told me that she cant marry me because I'm not JW she sent me several texts explaining why the bible says she cant (with the verses)
I posted above the texts about not marrying "outside" their faith and the text about "just having faith" not being enough.
And then I recived a 3rd text, I got these all today so these took her 3 days to do, my guess is that she was given this stuff by others with "explinations" as to why she is not a good JW. I am planning on asking if she was pulled in for a "counceling" or whatever they call it, Im sure she was. I bet in the meeting tonight & tomorrow they will have some choice things to say!
Here is the 3rd text I recived today:
"I believe there is only one way or one religion"
Matthew 7:13-14;21-23
Romans 10:2,3
They read as follows:
Matthew 7:13-14
13 ?Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it."
Matthew 7:21-23
21 ?Not everyone saying to me, ?Lord, Lord,? will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ?Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?? 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
Romans 10:2-3
2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge; 3 for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Notice how with Romans, she only quoted vs2-3?
Gee I wonder why 4 was not quoted as well?
Romans 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
ANYONE HAVE SOME VERSES I CAN USE WITH THE ABOVE?
I love this woman more than I ever thought I could love another, she has an awsome spirit and heart! But the more I see what these BASTARDS have done to her.....the more I want to cry! Not just because of my love for her, but because how they are ruining someone so beautiful that God created! -
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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I have a question, I'm trying to find the verse's about adding things to God's word (the bible).
I know there were at least 2 places that SPECIFICALLY talked about NOT doing this but cannot remember where....... -
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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PAJA
I do want to find a good religion and catch up on some needed reading of the bible, I have ALLOT of faith. I do believe there really is only one God, but that God exists to each of us in our own way, and it us up to each of us to find the path that takes us to him. Its my faith in God that keeps me going and patient with this, even as hard as it is for me!
WITH THAT SAID....SHE JUST SENT ME THIS TEXT MESSAGE:
"I am sure that I want to spend my life with a true JW
I believe it is not enough to just say I have faith.
And then she cites James 2:14-26
Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? If a brother or a sister is in a naked state and lacking the food sufficient for the day, yet a certain one of YOU says to them: ?Go in peace, keep warm and well fed,? but YOU do not give them the necessities for [their] body, of what benefit is it? Thus, too, faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.
Nevertheless, a certain one will say: ?You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.? You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive? Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar? You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected, and the scripture was fulfilled which says: ?Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,? and he came to be called ?Jehovah?s friend.?
YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone. In the same manner was not also Ra´hab the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. -
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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DHL-Great advice (1. Cor. 13:5 "So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.")
Here is what she texted me today about why she cant be with me unless I'm a JW, anyone have anything I can quote from the bible as my head is spinning!!!
I would really love to use more from the bible as she is being given so much by her parents and she will pretty much not listen to anything that is NOT from the bible right now shes being pressured so much.
Deuteronomy 7:3-4
"And you must form no marriage alliance with them. Your daughter you must not give to his son, and his daughter you must not take for your son. For he will turn your son from following me, and they will certainly serve other gods; and Jehovah?s anger will indeed blaze against YOU, and he will certainly annihilate you in a hurry."
1 Kings 11:1-6
"And King Sol´o·mon himself loved many foreign wives along with the daughter of Phar´aoh, Mo´ab·ite, Am´mon·ite, E´dom·ite, Si·do´ni·an [and] Hit´tite women, from the nations of whom Jehovah had said to the sons of Israel: ?YOU must not go in among them, and they themselves should not come in among YOU; truly they will incline YOUR heart to follow their gods.? It was to them that Sol´o·mon clung to love [them]. And he came to have seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives gradually inclined his heart. And it came about in the time of Sol´o·mon?s growing old that his wives themselves had inclined his heart to follow other gods; and his heart did not prove to be complete with Jehovah his God like the heart of David his father. And Sol´o·mon began going after Ash´to·reth the goddess of the Si·do´ni·ans and after Mil´com the disgusting thing of the Am´mon·ites. And Sol´o·mon began to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, and he did not follow Jehovah fully like David his father."
2 Corinthians 6:14
"Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?"
HOW THE HECK DO I RESPOND TO THESE??????????????? -
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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PAJA
I will try to make this quick......
I have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (Ive known her for 3 years). She is JW and obviously I'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
Weve got to the point where she is ready to marry me, knows that she will "have" to leave the religion and told her parents saturday night (shes 25 & still lives in their house, I'm 30). Last Saturday morning (and for the last month) she has been just about doing backflips shes been so excited about getting married, having our own familly and spending our lives togeather. I will not bore you with all the details but we do have an incredable connection, we have exactly the same goals in life & familly, we share thoughts at the same time, know what the other is thinking, etc etc etc. All the things that you look for in a partner....except the JW thing.
Now I know she questions the WTS but tries to hide it (as well as just being trained really good), thats one of the reasons I have continued the relationship. She has seen some of the information about WTS lies etc and at times seems to show doubt, but has been told that its all lies or just people telling stories because they are nonbelievers. You all know how this goes!
So Saturday night comes, she tells her familly, and in a complete 180 she says she cannot marry me because it says in the bible that we cant. She says its her choice and that her parents told her she can do whatever she wants. Now we all know this is BS, and she did admit that they gave her the whole guilt/pressure treatment in typical JW fashion, but later said that it had nothing to do with her descion. She says loves me, wants to spend her life with me, raise a familly, but cant because the bible says its wrong.
[B]What I'm asking everyone here to do, is to post some words of encouragement here, tell your story, let her know that she is not alone, and that the pressure she is getting is what is really wrong and not the feelings in her heart.
(I asked why she followed her heart all this time and not what the bible "supposedly" says, while looking at the floor she said that the heart lies and she is stupid for trying to be with me. Thanks allot WTS for trying to distroy another wonderfull person)
Anyway, I know that I'm fighting a huge battle, but I know shes worth the effort, I love her with all my heart and even if we dont end up togeather, I hope and pray that all of this will one day help her see the truth, so that she can live her own life.
So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE everyone, post lots POSITIVE words/thoughts/suggestions/stories/prayers for her, I plan to give them to her to let her know she is not alone.[/B]
BTW her name is Cynthia and if anyone lives in New Mexico and knows of any support groups here, please let me know.
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My JW G.F.-- Need help with cross/crucifex use by the WTS
by PAJA inim trying to get information about the wts belief in the "stake" vs the cross/crucifex for my jw girlfriend.
i need any and all information i can get my hands on.... .
of cross use by the wts, their beliefs and contradictions.
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"In search of Christian freedon, by R Franz, has a photo of the N.Y. Bethel Xmas party 1926, with Judge Rutherford at the head of the table, the room is full of Xmas decorations, presents etc. "
I would love to have that one!