I have a question, I'm trying to find the verse's about adding things to God's word (the bible).
I know there were at least 2 places that SPECIFICALLY talked about NOT doing this but cannot remember where.......
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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PAJA
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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PAJA
I do want to find a good religion and catch up on some needed reading of the bible, I have ALLOT of faith. I do believe there really is only one God, but that God exists to each of us in our own way, and it us up to each of us to find the path that takes us to him. Its my faith in God that keeps me going and patient with this, even as hard as it is for me!
WITH THAT SAID....SHE JUST SENT ME THIS TEXT MESSAGE:
"I am sure that I want to spend my life with a true JW
I believe it is not enough to just say I have faith.
And then she cites James 2:14-26
Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? If a brother or a sister is in a naked state and lacking the food sufficient for the day, yet a certain one of YOU says to them: ?Go in peace, keep warm and well fed,? but YOU do not give them the necessities for [their] body, of what benefit is it? Thus, too, faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.
Nevertheless, a certain one will say: ?You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.? You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive? Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar? You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected, and the scripture was fulfilled which says: ?Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,? and he came to be called ?Jehovah?s friend.?
YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone. In the same manner was not also Ra´hab the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. -
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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PAJA
DHL-Great advice (1. Cor. 13:5 "So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.")
Here is what she texted me today about why she cant be with me unless I'm a JW, anyone have anything I can quote from the bible as my head is spinning!!!
I would really love to use more from the bible as she is being given so much by her parents and she will pretty much not listen to anything that is NOT from the bible right now shes being pressured so much.
Deuteronomy 7:3-4
"And you must form no marriage alliance with them. Your daughter you must not give to his son, and his daughter you must not take for your son. For he will turn your son from following me, and they will certainly serve other gods; and Jehovah?s anger will indeed blaze against YOU, and he will certainly annihilate you in a hurry."
1 Kings 11:1-6
"And King Sol´o·mon himself loved many foreign wives along with the daughter of Phar´aoh, Mo´ab·ite, Am´mon·ite, E´dom·ite, Si·do´ni·an [and] Hit´tite women, from the nations of whom Jehovah had said to the sons of Israel: ?YOU must not go in among them, and they themselves should not come in among YOU; truly they will incline YOUR heart to follow their gods.? It was to them that Sol´o·mon clung to love [them]. And he came to have seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives gradually inclined his heart. And it came about in the time of Sol´o·mon?s growing old that his wives themselves had inclined his heart to follow other gods; and his heart did not prove to be complete with Jehovah his God like the heart of David his father. And Sol´o·mon began going after Ash´to·reth the goddess of the Si·do´ni·ans and after Mil´com the disgusting thing of the Am´mon·ites. And Sol´o·mon began to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, and he did not follow Jehovah fully like David his father."
2 Corinthians 6:14
"Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?"
HOW THE HECK DO I RESPOND TO THESE??????????????? -
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Please Please PLEASE post some words of encouragement to my JW friend......
by PAJA ini will try to make this quick...... .
i have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (ive known her for 3 years).
she is jw and obviously i'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
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PAJA
I will try to make this quick......
I have been with this wonderfull woman in a "relationship" for almost one year now (Ive known her for 3 years). She is JW and obviously I'm not, our relationship has gone almost exactly like many of the ones discribed here, hiding from parents, familly, church, etc.
Weve got to the point where she is ready to marry me, knows that she will "have" to leave the religion and told her parents saturday night (shes 25 & still lives in their house, I'm 30). Last Saturday morning (and for the last month) she has been just about doing backflips shes been so excited about getting married, having our own familly and spending our lives togeather. I will not bore you with all the details but we do have an incredable connection, we have exactly the same goals in life & familly, we share thoughts at the same time, know what the other is thinking, etc etc etc. All the things that you look for in a partner....except the JW thing.
Now I know she questions the WTS but tries to hide it (as well as just being trained really good), thats one of the reasons I have continued the relationship. She has seen some of the information about WTS lies etc and at times seems to show doubt, but has been told that its all lies or just people telling stories because they are nonbelievers. You all know how this goes!
So Saturday night comes, she tells her familly, and in a complete 180 she says she cannot marry me because it says in the bible that we cant. She says its her choice and that her parents told her she can do whatever she wants. Now we all know this is BS, and she did admit that they gave her the whole guilt/pressure treatment in typical JW fashion, but later said that it had nothing to do with her descion. She says loves me, wants to spend her life with me, raise a familly, but cant because the bible says its wrong.
[B]What I'm asking everyone here to do, is to post some words of encouragement here, tell your story, let her know that she is not alone, and that the pressure she is getting is what is really wrong and not the feelings in her heart.
(I asked why she followed her heart all this time and not what the bible "supposedly" says, while looking at the floor she said that the heart lies and she is stupid for trying to be with me. Thanks allot WTS for trying to distroy another wonderfull person)
Anyway, I know that I'm fighting a huge battle, but I know shes worth the effort, I love her with all my heart and even if we dont end up togeather, I hope and pray that all of this will one day help her see the truth, so that she can live her own life.
So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE everyone, post lots POSITIVE words/thoughts/suggestions/stories/prayers for her, I plan to give them to her to let her know she is not alone.[/B]
BTW her name is Cynthia and if anyone lives in New Mexico and knows of any support groups here, please let me know.
Moderators, any chance of making this sticky for a few days.......? -
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My JW G.F.-- Need help with cross/crucifex use by the WTS
by PAJA inim trying to get information about the wts belief in the "stake" vs the cross/crucifex for my jw girlfriend.
i need any and all information i can get my hands on.... .
of cross use by the wts, their beliefs and contradictions.
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PAJA
"In search of Christian freedon, by R Franz, has a photo of the N.Y. Bethel Xmas party 1926, with Judge Rutherford at the head of the table, the room is full of Xmas decorations, presents etc. "
I would love to have that one! -
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My JW G.F.-- Need help with cross/crucifex use by the WTS
by PAJA inim trying to get information about the wts belief in the "stake" vs the cross/crucifex for my jw girlfriend.
i need any and all information i can get my hands on.... .
of cross use by the wts, their beliefs and contradictions.
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PAJA
Great stuff so far......
Anyone have more scans or links to WTS publications with the cross?
Also any contradictions by the WTS on this issue? -
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My JW G.F.-- Need help with cross/crucifex use by the WTS
by PAJA inim trying to get information about the wts belief in the "stake" vs the cross/crucifex for my jw girlfriend.
i need any and all information i can get my hands on.... .
of cross use by the wts, their beliefs and contradictions.
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PAJA
Im trying to get information about the WTS belief in the "stake" vs the cross/crucifex for my JW girlfriend.
I need any and all information I can get my hands on....
quotes/pictures/scans/documents etc. of cross use by the WTS, their beliefs and contradictions.
She was taught the symbol is wrong and doesnt believe it was ever used by the WTS. I know its on the pyramid monument at Russle's grave and have heard that it was used in the early days, but need things I can print out and give to her.
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My first post---Boy do I need help!!!!!!!!
by PAJA ini have been lurking here for a few days but decided i need to jump in as i need some serious help!
i got into a relationship with a jw.
i worked with her for over a year, got hurt on the job and was recovering for about 5 months.
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PAJA
Thanks for all the replies.
I wish I could explain better or give more details, but trust me when I say she has doubts.
We are at a point where she realizes Im not going to join and is strugling about what to do. Ive started to ask questions of her, and I can see that they are making her think. I told her that Ive found allot of information and its not really all that positive.
The most recient and the first "in depth" question I have asked is about WTS belief in regaurds to the cross/crucifix.
[B]I asked why they dont use it and she told me about the whole "stake" thing, so I went home and found that the WTS seems to have used the cross early on.
I told her about what I found and she said she had never heard about that, I asked if she could clear it up for me, and she said she would do that. She asked where I found that they did use it, I told her that it was used on old WTS publications ans even that pyramid monument at Russels own grave. So she asked if I could bring the pictures and information about it so she could see for herself (I think that is a sure sign of her doubts)
Im going to post another thread in regaurds to getting more info on the WTS use of the cross.
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My first post---Boy do I need help!!!!!!!!
by PAJA ini have been lurking here for a few days but decided i need to jump in as i need some serious help!
i got into a relationship with a jw.
i worked with her for over a year, got hurt on the job and was recovering for about 5 months.
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PAJA
OH BTW!
Im not on some sort of mission to convert her to anything!
After I reciently learned of her WTS ties, I told her that I have been wanting to "find" a religion myself as I have faith, but no "direction". I actually considered the WTS untill I did a bit of reading and found that they were a bit........."off".
I guess my mission at minimum is to help her see the WTS for what they really are, but to NOT loose her faith in God!
HOW THE HECK DO I DO THAT!!!! -
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My first post---Boy do I need help!!!!!!!!
by PAJA ini have been lurking here for a few days but decided i need to jump in as i need some serious help!
i got into a relationship with a jw.
i worked with her for over a year, got hurt on the job and was recovering for about 5 months.
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PAJA
Hello all.....
I have been lurking here for a few days but decided I need to jump in as I need some serious help!
I got into a relationship with a JW.
I worked with her for over a year, got hurt on the job and was recovering for about 5 months. During that time we started talking on the phone and we have become quite close, but only reciently did I learn she is JW.
She is 25, born and raised a JW (in Mexico) along with her brothers & sisters, her father being an elder (I believe) at her Kingdom Hall, she still lives at home. After browsing here a bit I found that she has ALLOT of the common JW traits discribed by you folks!
We talk allot at work, email, etc and have seen each other outside of work a few times, but nothing more. She seems very serious about wanting to be with me but wants me to join in order to please her parents/familly (though she will not admit thats the reason). This really snuck up on me as we had been friends for quite sometime, and grew VERY close while I was out of work. Once I came back we REALLY began to get even more close!!!
I believe in God and have strong faith, but do not belong to a church/religion. She does realize that I am quite critical of WTS from what I have learned, often asking where I get my information and wanting to see/read it for herself. Both myself and others that know her feel that SHE IS QUESTIONING WHAT SHE HAS BEEN TAUGHT! She has even had talks with a few close friends about her doubting her parents, and asked what they thought about that.
But her brainwashing and especially her loyalty to her familly is a constant problem. She is on the verge of telling her familly about me but does not know what to say, her sister who knows about me has told them that I am possably interested in joining (Im not). So they do know about me.
Anyway I need help!
Ask me any specific questions that might give you more information that you can use to help me with this. I will be asking more questions later I just wanted to break the ice for now.