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  Science proves there is a God

  by seekchristonly in

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  fusion with god natural .

  in the cosmos universe or whatever.

  all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.

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  lol
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  How do you shut your mind down so you can get a good night sleep???

  by jam in

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  2. friends

  the more i learn about jw's the harder it is.

  to sleep at night.

  the wife hit the pillow and within 5 min.. she is snoring.

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  Twitch

  Sometimes you can't help but focus on stuff that irks you. 'Tis only natural.

  But the mind is a tool and is in your hands. You "own" it, not vice versa and it can be trained to not run rampant with stuff. As has been mentioned, there are tips and tricks.

  One thing that works for me when I can't get to sleep is to think of things done that I enjoyed, or things I'd like to do.
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  I am on the edge of a freak out ..... I think???

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so the rc really sucked, but i made it through.

  the propaganda was mind blowing.

  i don't know if the crap will be available on the official website or not, but hopefully it gets leaked somehow.

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  Twitch

  I don't think there are any evil geniuses at WTS HQ, more like zombie Colonel Klink style self righteous buffoons peddling their brand of jesus in the street. Propaganda, yes. Diabolical, no. Niche self interest group with a media dept.

  Kudos to you for being a man that provides and cares for his family

  Don't quit

  Being in control doesn't mean taking the easy way out. Quite the opposite methinks.

  You don't want the elders to treat you like shit in front of your loved ones. You would regret that.

  Try not to ignore emotional outbursts or react in kind. Such are cries for help as well.

  Focus on something is necessary. Keep sight of the shore or horizon. Work does the trick and provides for needs and goals, careful it doesn't create further distance you can't come back from.

  You do have the answers, just haven't found them but they're close.

  You can help others, but it's not your fault if they don't take your hand. They have their choices, you have yours.

  I admire your dedication to family, your strength and your honesty. I could not do what you do.

  Everyone has their limits and it's necessary to find out where they are. They also provide answers.

  Good luck to you sir.
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  Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".

  persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.

  "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.

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  I can honesty say, with confidence, that I have found zero evidences of the possible existence of myself. It appears that I exist, but if I claim that I know that I exist, that would be very arrogant of me, because so far, my so called "evidences" of my existence, are based on what I believe is true. If the truth is beyond what I believe, then I may have a problem, if I exist.

  May the Tao be with you, always ;)

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuangzi_(book)

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao#Daoist_interpretations
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  Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".

  persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.

  "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.

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  Twitch

  Is faith a virtue? Is atheism?

  I think what a person does and how they treat others is what really matters. Especially when there's disagreement. How else do you measure tolerance, understanding and what may really be considered virtues?
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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  Twitch

  Safe to say then that spirit doesn't exist?
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  If you reject the existence of the soul then you are an Animist?

  by Seraphim23 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the classic debate between those who believe that consciousness is merely the result of the operation of the brain, and those who believe that it is apart from the brain, like the idea of a soul or the classic dualistic distinction between mind and body, is a well-known one.. however the thought has occurred that when people try to convince me that the soul cannot be real; soul in the sense of consciousness being a separate thing to the operation of the brain, then really the materialistic non spiritual view is in fact a rehash of animism, strange as that might sound.. animism is the idea that soul, spirit, consciousness, or whatever it might be called, exists in plants, animals, things, objects, places or basically in everything and anything in the material world.

  the view of some is that very primitive cultures had this wide category of spiritual belief, which eventually evolved into the all the religions, faiths and spiritualties of today.

  some of the faiths of modern times are not defined as animistic because these draw a distinction between soul and body or in modern parlance, consciousness and brain.. so in very ancient times, at the dawn of human spiritual belief, the sun, for example, rising and setting was seen not so much as being caused by the proverbial spaghetti monster but as being the proverbial spaghetti monster.

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  Twitch

  Well said, Snare

  Some interesting thoughts and feelings displayed here on some of the pixels of this 1920x1080 resolution LCD monitor. The arrangement of ASCII characters is fascinating
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  If you reject the existence of the soul then you are an Animist?

  by Seraphim23 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the classic debate between those who believe that consciousness is merely the result of the operation of the brain, and those who believe that it is apart from the brain, like the idea of a soul or the classic dualistic distinction between mind and body, is a well-known one.. however the thought has occurred that when people try to convince me that the soul cannot be real; soul in the sense of consciousness being a separate thing to the operation of the brain, then really the materialistic non spiritual view is in fact a rehash of animism, strange as that might sound.. animism is the idea that soul, spirit, consciousness, or whatever it might be called, exists in plants, animals, things, objects, places or basically in everything and anything in the material world.

  the view of some is that very primitive cultures had this wide category of spiritual belief, which eventually evolved into the all the religions, faiths and spiritualties of today.

  some of the faiths of modern times are not defined as animistic because these draw a distinction between soul and body or in modern parlance, consciousness and brain.. so in very ancient times, at the dawn of human spiritual belief, the sun, for example, rising and setting was seen not so much as being caused by the proverbial spaghetti monster but as being the proverbial spaghetti monster.

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  Twitch

  Your points are as fallacious as the OP and title itself

  if one rejects the idea of a soul, they are not an animist (who believes everything has a soul or is conscious).

  one needs a brain to process stuff; one cannot experience things without. where does the experience lie if not within the brain?
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  If you reject the existence of the soul then you are an Animist?

  by Seraphim23 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the classic debate between those who believe that consciousness is merely the result of the operation of the brain, and those who believe that it is apart from the brain, like the idea of a soul or the classic dualistic distinction between mind and body, is a well-known one.. however the thought has occurred that when people try to convince me that the soul cannot be real; soul in the sense of consciousness being a separate thing to the operation of the brain, then really the materialistic non spiritual view is in fact a rehash of animism, strange as that might sound.. animism is the idea that soul, spirit, consciousness, or whatever it might be called, exists in plants, animals, things, objects, places or basically in everything and anything in the material world.

  the view of some is that very primitive cultures had this wide category of spiritual belief, which eventually evolved into the all the religions, faiths and spiritualties of today.

  some of the faiths of modern times are not defined as animistic because these draw a distinction between soul and body or in modern parlance, consciousness and brain.. so in very ancient times, at the dawn of human spiritual belief, the sun, for example, rising and setting was seen not so much as being caused by the proverbial spaghetti monster but as being the proverbial spaghetti monster.

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  Twitch

  I believe there is absolutely a state of consciousness. This state has not been fully studied.

  Agreed.

  That human consciousness is a result of brain activity is clearly apparent.

  Exactly what it is and how it works is not understood and thus cannot be measured, yet it exists.

  This doesn't mean a soul exists.
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  Would Your Family Stone You to Death?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ot law required jews to take the lead in stoning a family member who became apostate.. the watchtower has lamented the fact that the law of the land now forbids them from doing so.. if the law permitted it, as it does in some musim countries, and if the watchtower required it, would your family obey?.

  my parents are good people and i believe their love for me is genuine, but i think they would follow orders.. what about yours?.

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  I have no idea what other people would do in a hypothetical situation.