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205Some of you aren't going to like this news, but here goes...
by AndersonsInfo inrick simons, candace conti's attorney, will be interviewed on the six screens of the watchtower conference phone line this evening.
there's a good chance that candace will join in, but that's not set in stone.
the host of the program, rick, told me to tell everybody that he is learning how to calm down and to do better on these conference calls.
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Hutterites Shunned for education and high school sports
by puffthedragon ini have never heard of this group but i turned on the tv and right now (eastern time) there is a show on national geographic called american colony/hutterites and they are shunning members for allowing their children to have more education than they deem neccessary as well as playing school sports.
the group also appears to think they are the only ones going to heaven.. anyone know more about this or have experience with them?
struck a chord with me..
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While there are similarities between this group, the Amish and the JWs, what is most important is that the Amish and Hutterites each live on their own and are self-sustaining communities. This is the crucial difference between them and the JW religion
The JW religion likes to pretend that it is a little village in ancient Israel, when the reality is that you have to go out into the world and support yourself. You are not on some commune living off the land!! An education is necessary. So, for the JWs to discourage college education is ridiculous and shows how out-of-touch they are with the reality of the world.
Agreed. Even more so in the case of an young Hutterite, where gender and societal rules are even further defined, expected and enforced and who may even be more isolated from the modern world than your average jw. Just a personal observation and opinion .
If you've got blue eyes and blonde hair here (male) they want your sperm. They'll pay you.
Low on the rent, were you? Do tell...
You sure you ain't perpetuating a myth there, Serious George?
Both the exAmish and the Hutterite show reveal little of the religious principles and practices underlying their faith.
I do know the Hutterites are of the old school "work hard" protestant ethic but are more "relaxed" and progressive than the Amish. They've embraced technology that increases farming efficiency and operation, even to the point of inventing and patenting specialized farming implements, as opposed to horse and buggy traditionalism and complete rejecction of modern technology typical of the Amish.
As for belief, there's no deviance in doctrine or belief among Hutterites, and little or no change. They believe in heaven or hell as an afterlife eventuality, but as for doctrinal specifics, I couldn't say. Work hard, live simply, praise jesus.
Their beliefs reject the influence of the modern world and it's practise limits their exposure to it, severely.
DO THEY ACCEPT MODERN MEDICAL TREATMENT WHEN NECESSARY - INCLUDING BLOOD TRANSFUSION AND ORGAN TRANSPLANT?
To my knowledge, yes. I never heard of any refusal of treatment optioins and medical care is one thing they rely on the outside world for.
A menonite got in trouble recently because he kept his son in a box for two months because he was 'bad'. ;P
Crazy talk. Ain't no Mennonites in Bolivia. Their homebase is Estevan, SK. Please...
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The music that moves you....
by FlyingHighNow inonce when i was profoundly sad for too many days, my brother in law sent us a mix tape.
he named each song after a person in our family.
this is the one he named heather.
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Classic 80's canadjan, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp8QP8jzzGQ
Sass Jordan as the prominent backup singer
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Jesus ,the son of GOD,on earth as a man,never wrote down his words of wisdom,message of salvation,only talked to a minority group,majority of what he preached was never recorded by observers,?
by smiddy indoesn`t this sound a little bit odd to you ?
according to christendom/jehovah`s witnesses in particular , the greatest man who ever lived,had the means at his disposal,to write down everything he had to say for the benefit of all mankind ,jew and gentile,and he never availed himself of this priveledge .rather most of what he had to say, according to the bible, was lost,no one recorded all he spoke ..he was quite content to leave it up to a few, who would put his words to pen,many of which were not eyewitness accounts to his deeds.,but received the information secon-hand.
if the almighty god jehovah and his son jesus christ were in anyway serious, wouldn`t they have made this" so important" message available to all mankind ?
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Hutterites Shunned for education and high school sports
by puffthedragon ini have never heard of this group but i turned on the tv and right now (eastern time) there is a show on national geographic called american colony/hutterites and they are shunning members for allowing their children to have more education than they deem neccessary as well as playing school sports.
the group also appears to think they are the only ones going to heaven.. anyone know more about this or have experience with them?
struck a chord with me..
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Right, the attire. Everyone wears the same thing essentially. All clothes are made themselves and are purely functional with little or no variation on style. Fashions from the outside world are verboten.
Men wear plain black pants usually with suspenders and a plaid or plain collared shirt. You can't have a beard until you're married.
Women never wear pants and dresses are no shorter than the ankle. Tops are modest blouses and a black vest is common. They always wear the little bonnet or kerchief. Not much else article wise but a wide selection and variation on colors and patterns for dresses and blouses. Nothing risque or sexy. Individualism is not encouraged.
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Hutterites Shunned for education and high school sports
by puffthedragon ini have never heard of this group but i turned on the tv and right now (eastern time) there is a show on national geographic called american colony/hutterites and they are shunning members for allowing their children to have more education than they deem neccessary as well as playing school sports.
the group also appears to think they are the only ones going to heaven.. anyone know more about this or have experience with them?
struck a chord with me..
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Haven't seen the program but I'll share my observations
Hutterites are a religious sect less fundamental and strict than the Amish but not as liberal as the Mennonites, to which there is much similarity. They live communally and though they have separate residences, meals are served to all in a hall where women and men are segregated. They all work at various tasks on the communal farm with nobody earning a wage, as everything is shared and personal gain is limited. As they have little personal money, they typically barter though there is limited trade with the outside world for currency. They are isolationist, protestant communists, for lack of better terms.
Their founder Jacob Hutter lived in the 1500s and their beliefs are essentially protestant. Everyone goes to church. Their early forefathers left persecution in the old country, namely Germany/Austria. They are pacifist and neutral in politics. There was/is a schism in the "brethren" that happened somewhat recently, in my lifetime I believe. I think it was a liberal/conservative thing but I'm not 100% on that. Some colonies had bikes, some didn't. TV was verboten back in the day. Things are different now I'm sure.
Education is minimal and higher learning is not encouraged or even available unless one leaves. The community is very structured and roles on the farm are typically familial, with jobs and responsibilities handed down from father to son. Boss, Preacher, Chicken Boss, Hog Boss are some male titles with others who drove various vehicles, did electrical or mechanical. Women typically work in the garden and commual kitchen. Knitting and crafts are common. They keep to and breed amongst themselves, keeping extensive records and family trees.
There is a contingent of "runaways" who leave the colony as you're either in with the program and your role or out. There are those that are shunned and some that are welcome to visit. I've met a couple runaways and there are some striking similarities you might say. There is a annual bbq/get together here for the exiled but I've never been.
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What it takes to become an atheist.
by dontplaceliterature ini was pondering this today during lunch, and to me it seems that it comes down to whether or not you can accept that you will one day be permanantly gone and anyone you have lost in death will never be alive again.
once a person becomes comfortable with these two ideas, there isn't really any incentive to believe.
maybe it's an over simplification, but it seems to me that this is the heart of the matter.
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"Why should the thought of my non-existence bother me? I didn't exist for millions of years before I was born and it didn't bother me then!"
Exactly.
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What it takes to become an atheist.
by dontplaceliterature ini was pondering this today during lunch, and to me it seems that it comes down to whether or not you can accept that you will one day be permanantly gone and anyone you have lost in death will never be alive again.
once a person becomes comfortable with these two ideas, there isn't really any incentive to believe.
maybe it's an over simplification, but it seems to me that this is the heart of the matter.
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Our spelling is faster. :)
I don't mind having u around, even if it takes longer...;)
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What it takes to become an atheist.
by dontplaceliterature ini was pondering this today during lunch, and to me it seems that it comes down to whether or not you can accept that you will one day be permanantly gone and anyone you have lost in death will never be alive again.
once a person becomes comfortable with these two ideas, there isn't really any incentive to believe.
maybe it's an over simplification, but it seems to me that this is the heart of the matter.
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Our spelling adds colour, flavour and humour to stuff.
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What it takes to become an atheist.
by dontplaceliterature ini was pondering this today during lunch, and to me it seems that it comes down to whether or not you can accept that you will one day be permanantly gone and anyone you have lost in death will never be alive again.
once a person becomes comfortable with these two ideas, there isn't really any incentive to believe.
maybe it's an over simplification, but it seems to me that this is the heart of the matter.
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it seems that it comes down to whether or not you can accept that you will one day be permanantly gone and anyone you have lost in death will never be alive again. Once a person becomes comfortable with these two ideas, there isn't really any incentive to believe.
god might not have personal interest in humankind and just keeps winding the clock. maybe he is the clock
god may not be anything more than an effect of consciousness; he is invisible otherwise.
questions would be, would you believe in a god that doesn't grant immortality? could he still be considered god?
we are the by-products of dying stars. our star will eventually engulf our world. everything gets recycled. spirits are for mediums and mixed drinks ;)