Posts by cheeseman

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What sin did you ever committ that you thought you never never would?

by littlerockguy in

jw
friends

adultery (sexual relations with a married man); after all i was a prude as an active jw.

i never thought i would do such a thing.

cheeseman

A threesome with a Spaniard and a Swede. They could barely understand a word of English, that just made it more fun!

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Are You or Were You Ever On Meds For Depression?

by minimus in

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friends

i know so many people, not just witnesses that are on zoloft or similar drugs.

i know of some that, once they left the "truth", stopped taking these meds and have not had to go back on them.

i know of some that, if they did not have them, would not be able to properly function......what about you?

cheeseman

Short answer...yes.

262mg of Effexor Venlafaxine anti depressant plus 1mg Risperidone for my psychotic ramblings about God and Satan.

All of it induced courtesy of the WTBTS.

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don't ya think it's a rotten trick?

by zaphod in

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i've always thought that it was a rotten trick for god to create us with free will and then punish us for using it.. wha'd'ya think?

cheeseman

I dont think any of us are being punished by god... just "reaping what we sow"

Krystal, how are WE reaping what WE sow when it was ADAM & EVE who sinned in the garden of eden. Also, before Adam & Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge they did NOT KNOW good or bad. How can God condemn them for eating the fruit when they didn't know the difference between good and bad? How can god give us the "reward" of sin and death for someone else's "mistake". I didn't eat no damn fruit!

If Adam & Eve's punishment was sin & death then that means logically:

SIN & DEATH = PUNISHMENT

What do we suffer from????? Sin & Death...am i wrong?

We suffer SIN & DEATH

SIN & DEATH = PUNISHMENT

Therefore, we are being PUNISHED.

If you can't see that then you need to think about it some more.

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

cheeseman

Hey Shawn, don't know if you've taken your break yet or what...but, if you're still reading I'll share my brief story with you.

I have been in your situation before. However, I was in your friend's position, so I have a good idea what's going through her mind. I was doing a "bible study" with the witnesses. My girlfriend was opposed. I began to view her with suspicion, I thought that she was from Satan and that she was trying to lead me astray from the truth. Eventually, she got sick of my association with them...she gave me an ultimatum...choose the witnesses or choose her.

I chose the witnesses and she told me that we were finished. Now, what comes next may surprise you.

At first I thought this was great...no opposition...I thought I was doing the right thing, abiding by jehovah, etc,etc. However, after a few weeks I really began to miss her. I really loved her and it began to hurt not being able to associate with her. I started to question the "truth". How could a loving God and a loving religion not allow me to be with the girl I loved? It seemed wrong.

I decided I would meet with her again, maybe to convert her into the truth, but most of all just to be with her again. She was obviously less affectionate when we met again. In fact, the less affectionate she was...the more I wanted her back. I loved her and it wasn't up to anyone else to stop me from seeing her. I kept meeting her, she always let me know she still loved me but she never lost her nerve and always stuck to her guns that we couldn't be together as long as I was with the witnesses.

Now, I started to question the JW's. It didn't feel right. God wouldn't want this, for me to be without my girl... would he???

I started to fade from the "truth". The more I faded, the more my girl accepted me back...I was being rewarded for leaving the witnesses. The JW's never rewarded me for leaving my girlfriend, I never felt right about that.. Within a short while we were back together. My faith in the witnesses had crumbled. My eyes had been opened, I questioned everything and anything about the JW's and their isolationist stance concerning non-witnesses. This was the first crack in my faith. So, I guess the point I'm making is that if my girlfriend hadn't been so strong and cut off contact, things wouldn't have worked out.

If she had kept the contact going when I was with the JW's, I would have continued to view her with suspicion, and that she was a test from Satan to dissuade me from the truth. When she cut off contact it confused me. I thought...How can she be a test from Satan to unconvert me when she wasn't around to even speak to me. She had moved on with her life and left me behind and this is what made me think.

I'm not saying this will 100% definitely work for you, but I think it's worth bearing in mind. If my girl had not cut contact and just kept coming at me and coming at me...over and over again, then I would have pushed her away over and over again. When she cut contact she broke the cycle. The mind control of the JW's lost it's effectiveness. The JW's tried to rationalise it by saying the "truth" divides people and families...but I didn't buy their bullshit because I had lost the one thing that was more important than the JW's...her.

So, to summarise. If your friend is a true friend then the mind control will not work if you use this tactic. If she is anything less than a true friend...you're chances are extremely slim no matter what you do. Just remember that you have options open to you. Don't give up hope...but don't be afraid to move on in your life without her, neither. This may be the key that will ultimately save her. Good luck with whatever you do and I hope it works out for you, man I really do.

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Has anyone read "In the Truth" - by Paul McCool?

by AK - Jeff in

just wondering if this novel written about witness life would be worthwhile to read, and then pass on, with a view to slow deprogramming of my niece who was df'd a few months back and i think still believes it it the truth?.

anyone read it?

thoughts?.

cheeseman

McCool - now, that's a cool name!

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New developement

by Shawn in

i have a new situation in my circumstance.

sorry to keep bothering you all but i need help, a lot of help.

my friend finally came over today and we talked for a while.

cheeseman

Shawn, I'm not gonna tell you what to do. It's not my place and moreover, you'll probably do what you feel best within yourself more than follow the advice on this board. However, if I was in your situation I would re-assess it and view it in a different light.

Also, she said that she cannot continue being my friend if she is going to be a JW wholeheartedly. She is right on the edge of being unapproachable. I told her that I will always be there even if she doesn't want me there. She started to cry and said that it didn't matter.

She is calling the shots here. I wouldn't let this happen. You must have control of the decisions...not her. Instead, remaining as friends would be MY decision, my friend would only remain a friend conditional to her accepting MY way. What I'm saying is...call her bluff. I would tell her that if SHE wanted to continue being MY friend, she MUST accept that the WTS is not God's representative on earth. If she refused I would cut off all contact. Within a few weeks she will seek you out again. Why? Because you now have control and she wants it back. However, now her position will be weakened and you will be in much better shape to tear down the WTS before her very eyes. This will work in my opinion because of reverse psychology. If you tell her you don't want to be friends anymore...guess what...she will want to be friends more than ever. SHE must live in and respect the conditions of YOUR world. Not the other way round. It takes guts to do this and it is potentially risky, but I believe it will work. Be strong. Only by being stronger will she trust in you. Good luck.

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Thought it was about time I spill my guts...

by Krystal in

i have already posted bits and bobs about my "story"... i like the companionship i have found here and i feel it about time i get this off my chest, so here it goes.

i am a 20 year old montrealer (it is me above!

) who was brought up a witness from the day i was born.

cheeseman

Krystal, it was good for you to write that all out. I think it will help deal with the past. Now, however, you are looking to the future and this is a great attitude to have. I lost a girl I loved because I dedicated my life to a mind controlling cult. I haven't seen her for 8 years and I think about her every day. However, I have found solice at JWD and I think you will too. It's good to tell your story. It's part of the reconciliation process. Good luck with your future!

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Startling Revelation Today...

by MerryMagdalene in

words cannot describe what i am feeling right now, but what else have i got?.

so let's start with euphoric.. today i ran into an old jw friend.

we were teens in the troof together, neighboring congregations.

cheeseman

Awesome post Merry, that must have been a great buzz!

(as he said, "Thank God for the internet!")

I believe the Internet will be the org's final downfall. The more we post, the more will leave. Every one of us can play a part in the org's demise!

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What made YOU drop Christianity?

by GetBusyLiving in

after i read coc and left the dubs for a short while i considered myself christian.

the way franz explained it, all that is required is to have faith in jesus and to love your neighbor as yourself and then you will be 'saved'.

the more i started pealing away at the onion though the dumber the premise of someone dying for my 'sins' seemed, and i just lost faith in it altogether.

cheeseman

I dropped Christianity when I dropped the dubbies.

The only truth can be found in science.

After studying evolution I realised there was a HUGE amount of evidence for it...not like what the lying dubs told me. I started to see the bible as a fairytale, since science contradicts it. Hence, if I couldn't believe all the incredible stories in the bible, I couldn't believe in Jesus. In fact, I'm coming to terms with the fact there may not be a God at all. Christianity for me means nothing.

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Any types of books, authors, etc. you enjoy now that you didn't as a JW?

by littlerockguy in

i always loved to collect books.

if any jw came and looked at my bookshelf now they would turn probably turn white.

cheeseman

I had a good collection of Stephen King books a few years back when I was doing my "bible study". After being told such material could act as a portal to the demons (hahahaahahahahahahahah!) I threw them all out in the trash. Can you believe it??? What TF was I thinking??? I'm slowly starting to collect them again...but I'm still pissed off.