Wow, God's a lot of things.
You know what cracks me up? It's when God apologists quote scripture saying God is a good guy. God (through his own holy book) says he's a good guy...well, no surprises there then!
cheeseman
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And THIS is supposed to be a God worthy of worship?
by SeymourButts inhe created evil (lam.
3:38, jer.
26:3, 36:3, ezek.
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Knoweedge, Belief and JW's
by cheeseman inhaving been involved in a few online debates with jw's lately, i've realised that no matter how devastatingly logical your argument is, a jw will never accept it.
i began thinking it's obvious this is the conditioning at work and that hiding from cognitive dissonance is their survival method to preserve there beliefs.. however, what are the component parts of this "we're never wrong" attitude?
i started thinking back and i seemed to remember a lot of instances in the publications or talks such as:-.
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cheeseman
Having been involved in a few online debates with JW's lately, I've realised that no matter how devastatingly logical your argument is, a JW will never accept it. I began thinking it's obvious this is the conditioning at work and that hiding from cognitive dissonance is their survival method to preserve there beliefs.
However, what are the component parts of this "we're never wrong" attitude? I started thinking back and I seemed to remember a lot of instances in the publications or talks such as:-
This world is wicked but we KNOW that Jehovah will end this system soon.
We KNOW that Satan is the cause of suffering on earth.
The church believes in the Trinity but we KNOW Jesus is God's son.
I can't seem to recollect examples stating simple belief. If the publications said we BELIEVE such and such would it be as effective? Does this compound "truth" at a subconcious level in the mind so greatly that evidence to the contrary is instantly blocked off?
It would be interesting if anyone had such examples from Watchtower literature. I threw out all my material when I left the cult so I can't look myself, unfortunately.
Any opinions?
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My second anti-witness...what a rush!
by cheeseman inoh my god...i am so f****** pumped.
excuse my language.
the two witnesses who came to my door a while ago to tell me how scientific the bible is came back.
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cheeseman
Hehehehehehehehehe!
EF...just where do you get it from?
Thanks, I feel normal again!
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My second anti-witness...what a rush!
by cheeseman inoh my god...i am so f****** pumped.
excuse my language.
the two witnesses who came to my door a while ago to tell me how scientific the bible is came back.
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cheeseman
I could give you some other graphic mental images if you think that might clear out the cheese grater deal
EF, enlighten me. I'm down to my last couple of toenails. I think we'll have to abandon the cheesegrater thing. I'm not sure how long the cheeseman could stand that kind of punishment. I'm thinking some spiritual pain to go along with the physical. I'm missing that feeling of martyrdom the WTBTS put on me...any suggestions?
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My second anti-witness...what a rush!
by cheeseman inoh my god...i am so f****** pumped.
excuse my language.
the two witnesses who came to my door a while ago to tell me how scientific the bible is came back.
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cheeseman
Thanks guys. It's great to know we all have the support of one another with moments like this. I feel so fulfilled. It's ten times more rewarding than anything I did in dubdub land. Their "happiness" is a lie. I know this because I'm so much happier now that I'm out. I can remember back to those dark days and it's incredible to think how miserable I actually was.
The whole time I was speaking to these two dubs I could virtually see the steam escaping from their ears. They really hated me...I could tell. Just shows you the nature of these people that they can't wait until Jojoba personally slaughters me with a hatchet in the big A. Nice folks aren't they?
Bloodlusting, fear spreading, guilt inducing, lying, cheating, paedo protecting family break up experts with a penchant for letting kiddies die waiting for a blood transfusion . AAAaaarrrggghhh!
Oh...and they are hypocrites.
(Breathe cheeseman, breathe.)
How do we pull down the Watchtower once and for all so that others are not led into the hands of these demons?
Now, please excuse me as I pull my toenails out with long-nosed pliers to distract me from thinking about how much I hate the dubs.
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My second anti-witness...what a rush!
by cheeseman inoh my god...i am so f****** pumped.
excuse my language.
the two witnesses who came to my door a while ago to tell me how scientific the bible is came back.
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cheeseman
Oh my god...I am so f****** pumped. Excuse my language. The two witnesses who came to my door a while ago to tell me how scientific the bible is came back. Here's my first anti-witness:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/88396/1.ashx
The woman who I tore to pieces had ditched her female buddy and teamed up with an older guy, clearly for heavy backup. I wasn't intimidated though, ready to shoot them down in flames.
Conversation was roughly like this:
Them: "Did you know there are no contradictions in the bible?"
Me: "We were talking about science last time remember, don't change the point. The ancient Sumerians have engraved tablets that show they knew the earth was round. Nothing impressive about the bible saying so. Also, Jesus was taken to a high place to be shown the kingdoms of the world. Clearly, that bible writer thought the earth was flat, why would Jesus need to have been taken to a high place?"
Both of them: "The bible wasn't talking about the shape of the earth in that scripture"
Me: "No, but the bible writer clearly had an idea of what he thought the shape of the earth was...flat."
Me: "Why does your Society claim evolution didn't happen when all the scientific facts show that it did"
Them: "Oh, science shows it didn't"
Me: "If you believe the Genesis account then how do you explain scientists repeatedly dating the age of the earth to 4.6 billion years old, why is the oldest life found dating back 3 billion years...is it a coincidence that all these scientists, cross checking each others work are constantly getting the same results in their experiments?
Them: "Theirs is psuedoscience, ours is real science"
Me: "Hahahahahahaha!" You believe the scientists you want to believe because it's ok when your society agrees with them. Have you read material from all other sources regarding science, evolution and creationism"
Him: "Yes"
Me" Don't lie to me on my doorstep. I know you have read the "Life" book from your society and very little else. Why don't you go to a library and take some books out?
Them: " We have read Behe"
Me: "And so you take his word above all others, have you read any others?"
Them:"We believe him to be correct"
Me: "Because it suits your pre conceived beliefs"
Them: "Oh no, we consider all the evidence"
Me: "What if I told you that little blue book you offer is full of misquotes"
Them: "What, the creation book, no no no that is not true"
Me:" OK, here is some material that I printed off " So, I gave them some stuff from this site http://www.aetheronline.com/mario/Heretic/critical.htm
The woman says: "Oh, it must be an apostate site" Shock , horror !!!!!!!
Me: "Look, if I showed you what was quoted in the creation book and what was really in the source material...would it matter who wrote it?"
Them: Silence
Me: Now, read this. If you do not then you are a liar because you said JW's consider material from all sources.
Them: "OK, but you should read more of Behe"
Me: "Thank you goodbye"
And so they left, apostate material in hand. Even if they read it they won't believe it. The closed mind of the JW is like a black hole from which nothing can escape. However, that doesn't mean I shouldn't do my duty and help rid the world of this destructive cult. I feel refreshed, on fire even. I'm so pumped up I want to do that every day. Words can't describe how much I hate this religion. They ruined my life, along with many others. Thank God I'm involved with this forum to help spread the truth about the "truth". I wish I could have kicked their asses about the UN, paedo's, failed prophecies, etc. I just didn't have time, we couldn't get past the science thing. I just gotta keep learning, honing my debating skills...hopefully, one of these days I will help someone leave the JW's, I think that would be the ultimate satisfaction. Have a nice day y'all.
Anyone else have some links to their anti-witness experience?
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Do you believe in the power of prayer?
by cab1000 intoday, i was talking to a close family member....he owns many stores of a business...he was telling me about a huge deal going down for him, in his favor.
he is an elder.
a lot of brothers work for him.
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cheeseman
No, never did me any good. I guess I must have pissed the big cheese off big time!
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Did you Ever Dream About Armageddon?
by Englishman injust the once.. i was 19 years old.
i was stll fairly pure except for the odd escapade that involved just a touch of finger-pie.
so there was some semblance of guilt hanging over my head.
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cheeseman
The most terrifying moment of my life is when I suffered an episode of sleep paralysis. I couldn't move or speak or anything...and then I felt God's presence close in on me to take my life away for ever. I have never been so scared in all my life and I hope it never happens again!
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What sin did you ever committ that you thought you never never would?
by littlerockguy inadultery (sexual relations with a married man); after all i was a prude as an active jw.
i never thought i would do such a thing.
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cheeseman
A threesome with a Spaniard and a Swede. They could barely understand a word of English, that just made it more fun!
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Are You or Were You Ever On Meds For Depression?
by minimus ini know so many people, not just witnesses that are on zoloft or similar drugs.
i know of some that, once they left the "truth", stopped taking these meds and have not had to go back on them.
i know of some that, if they did not have them, would not be able to properly function......what about you?
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cheeseman
Short answer...yes.
262mg of Effexor Venlafaxine anti depressant plus 1mg Risperidone for my psychotic ramblings about God and Satan.
All of it induced courtesy of the WTBTS.