Posts by jula71

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Gays and the Bible.

by gumby in

first of all.....i ain't bashin gays here......just have a question.. this morning i read in the paper that the united church of christ has unanimously approved of same sex marriage.

this now is the largest protestant sect who has approved of gay marriages.. my question is.......how does religion justify a way of life the bible condems as sinful?

what is their scriptural argument to justify this action as proper?.

jula71

It's all in the interpretation. For example, it says, "men who lie with men"

lie = untruth

So it looks like it's condemning the GB, IMO.

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Paul?

by DJ in

i've recently been told two conflicting things from 2 different jws.

one says that paul went straight to heaven at death and the other one denied that as not ever taught.

who is in line with wt teachings?

This is one of the sketchiest of all doctrines. But the line is, after a 3 1/2 year war Jesus had the heavens cleansed and the 144,000 that were "waiting" were then raised in 1919. I remember there was something in the Revelation book about it, I'll have to look it up when I get home.......

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"The Truth" about Higher Education

by Ozner in

i am a longtime witness (35 years), born "in the truth" and raised up in the 70's.

higher education.

at that time, i agreed with it.

jula71

they discouraged higher education, and yet the faithful bros that actually made it through higher education with their faith intact, seemed to always "go places" in the org.

You forget.....it's ok...as long as it benefits them. Like law school for example, if you do it to be a lawyer and make some $$, WRONG!! but if you to help dub's in abuse cases, custody battles, or blood issues, your doing a fine thing.

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Medicinal marijuana

by jula71 in

i've heard from the "society" that prescription drugs under a doctor's care is acceptable regarding the "keep your body clean" excuse they give smoking.

what about medicinal marijuana, which is legal in some states and gaining popularity?

i've checked the dub "library" and found very little.

jula71

I've heard from the "society" that prescription drugs under a doctor's care is acceptable regarding the "keep your body clean" excuse they give smoking. What about medicinal marijuana, which is legal in some states and gaining popularity? I've checked the dub "library" and found very little. Has anyone ever asked what the policy is on that?

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Resurrection thread

by mjarka911 in

jw
friends

i seen a lot of emphasis on the resurrection in the borg recently like the dc talk preparing people for dying in "this system" and calling them presumptious for thinking otherwise and the recent wt study articles.

but does the borg still teach that death is the wages of sin.

does this appply to people df'd and da'd who die?

jula71

OK, the "official" line is death is the response and punishment for sin, unless you make it through the big "A". Then you are forgiven. But all the of the "remnant" have to die to receive their "heavenly reward." As far as the resurrection goes, the emphasis is now...believe in it because you will most likely, die on this side of "A". DF'd and DA's will be resurrected as well, unless the "sin against the spirit." Which translates to, any thing apostate. Thus adding to the fear of "apostates" mentioned here many times.

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Live8

by andy2tanx in

what with the job i do and possibly my internal make-up, its really quite rare that i see something that i find moving.

however, seeing bob geldof bring on the beautiful african lady who had 10 minutes left to live 20 years ago, who has now finished her agricultural degree in africa and has grown up due to live aid's efforts, i felt i had to post something here...

so if you haven't been to www.live8live.com and signed the electronic petition then stop whatever you're doing and do it now!!!!!

jula71

How come Robert Mugabe and Zimbabwe wasn't mentioned at Live8?

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OMG! When does it end? Cognitive Dissonance is pandemic!

by upside/down in

i just had a "sister" leave our house... she was getting her hair done, by my wife.... she is married to a demoted-elder and is very r&f... her poor hubby has been on the receiving end of so much abuse from the borg... and they "don't understand it".. i've been sowing seeds of "new light" with her from jwd and even though their sitch just keeps getting worse and worse and her hubby just keeps getting more and more depressed... she actuall laid on me today the old " but where else can we go?

only the wts has the truth".. i thought i was going to puke.... she even laid out the old " don't forsake the gathering of yourselves"...proof we need to be at the meetings.

even though she admits that that is where the source of all the abuse eminates.

jula71

The problem is, the R&F have this implanted terrified fear of anything apostate. ANYTHING that causes doubt, they are taught to run from. The challenge is, how to overcome that fear. The dub's do away with reason and rational thought. I'm in college now, if there is something in class I don't understand, I research and study it MORE. The dub view is to write it off as being "food for mature ones" and your understanding will come in time, the last thing they do is research. If you overcome that fear, you can help rescue them.

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Back from the DC

by jula71 in

first they should have changed "godly obedience" to "society obedience".

i have never heard obey the gb pushed so hard in all my years as i dub.

it was amazing.

jula71

A couple more after thoughts, BTW great responses!! Sunday there was a "symposium" on the new (dumbed down) book. There were parts on how to use it to obtain studies on the initial visit in service and how to study from it. The "how to study" part was pretty interesting, the main thought...STICK TO THE BOOK!!! Also, if any additional research is needed refer the the "bible encyclopedia, Insight books".

Katiekitten here's one you'll like. There was also a talk on "happy family life." It was a 30 min part, one minute on how husbands can honor their wives, and 29 min's on wives honoring their husbands. What I thought was funny and sad, is too look around and see all the women with a blank stare and all the "brother's" nodding their heads in agreement.

More thoughts to come.............

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Back from the DC

by jula71 in

first they should have changed "godly obedience" to "society obedience".

i have never heard obey the gb pushed so hard in all my years as i dub.

it was amazing.

jula71

or is it more along the lines of the WTBS script and what they want?

Funny you should ask. A few talks like the "Keynote address" and the "public talk' are in fact a script to be read word for word.

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Back from the DC

by jula71 in

first they should have changed "godly obedience" to "society obedience".

i have never heard obey the gb pushed so hard in all my years as i dub.

it was amazing.

jula71

First they should have changed "Godly Obedience" to "Society Obedience". I have never heard obey the GB pushed so hard in all my years as I dub. It was amazing. There was a talk about the "faithful slave." I believe the view has changed again, I paid very good attention to this one. The "remnant" was only mentioned once as being part of the "organization" but the main part of the slave was said to be the GB. One quote really hit me, they were talking "food at the proper time" and the speaker said "our only job is to eat, the GB and the slaves job is to feed us." Translation. eat everything question nothing.

And what I've heard is correct, major push against "higher education". This was pushed in some form or manner everyday.