Better to be cautious. My good friend's father was killed a few months ago because as branch manager of a bank he refused to open a checking account for a guy with a history of bounced checks. The guy came in and blew him away the next day. :(
This man was a regular church going guy that wouldn't have hurt a fly. So sad. But please take these threats seriously and use caution!
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=84116&ran=38488
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Ever had someone threaten to kill you, and mean it? Just happened to me.
by wanderlustguy ini just had it happen for the second time in 3 years, today.
the first one wasn't that bad, because the guy didn't scare me.
the one today...i think might really try.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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SIX.....now I'll have that song in my head all evening. ACK. LOL
Obviously with the two folks lurking...my apologies if I have upset you. As I have repeatedly stated that I was merely presenting an opposing viewpoint. I retract any and all defense of this horrible, wicked, evil wench. Let's string her up. Stoning tomorrow am at 10:00. -
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Living Alone... How Do You Do It?
by FMZ inas you guys may know, i don't ask too many questions on the forum, as i feel that i have a pretty good grasp on things.
but this... i am clueless on..
starting sometime next week, i will have my own apartment.
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FMZ...the past 5 years you have lived your life revolving around someone else. Now your life revolves only around you. Both scary and exciting.
I have lived in my own house / apt. alone for 10 out of 13 years. While it's nice having someone underfoot again (for the past 2 years) I will say it's also quite nice having your own space. No one else to blame messes on. You will scarcely believe what a pig you really are. LOL
But also it's good because no one will be asking you what time you will be home. Although I must say it's nice having another person close by. Perhaps a roomate is in order?
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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BigTex....
You said to me "Secondly, define please the parameters of "nothing happened"?"
I refer you to the original post "Nothing ever happened, the boy conceded" - hence my comment nothing happened.
You said to me "Biased? Okay, prove it." - Let see a 20 year old incident related by a boy who was upset to his DIVORCED father. No I'm sure the father in his relaying of same experience was COMPLETELY non-biased. Come on!
You said "That the boy felt uncomfortable, and that a personal boundary was crossed is without question." - No it IS in question. Just because someone FEELS uncomfortable doesn't mean anything inappropriate happened. I feel uncomfortable when I see a man and a woman make out. Does it make it wrong? No.
You used the words "Emotional incest". That is what EXACTLY I was pointing out about making a big to do about nothing. It wasn't the boy's response...it's THIS BOARD'S response that is the big to do.
I was merely pointing out there may be MORE than one explanation of what went on. If there was sexual contact of some sort I'd say yeah, hang her from the rafters. In this instance I'd like to hear at least 2nd hand 20 year old info on the mother's point of view before I demonize her.
Nina, I know you have your own issues and am not making light of them. But we are all creatures of our own experiences.
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What's your favorite holiday?
by Princess inmy kids occasionally ask me this.
i usually respond "christmas" because it's so cheerful and festive or "halloween" because i'm always so touched at the kindness of my neighbors.. now i say "labor day".
they are puzzled.
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Gay Pride....I can dress up in assless chaps, rainbow wig, and be silly.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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My point is....we are hearing a short post based on biased twenty year old second hand information. In it was admitted "nothing happened". Thus a big to do about nothing.
While most here were quick to demonize the mother and use ridiculous adjectives I was offering a counterpoint to consider.
Why was the "boy" feeling so guilty? As I mentioned was it HE who was having inappropriate thoughts about his mother? Did he misconstrue parental love for sexual stimulation? What are the possibilities of a 15 year old boy misunderstanding sexual / non sexual advances.
This is my point. I couldn't care less one way or the other...but everyone jumping on the PC bandwagon made me want to at least point out other possibilities.
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Fat Theology
by GoingGoingGone inhere's another cute one...!
and god populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinich, green and yellow vegetables of all kinds so man and woman would live long and healthy lives.. and satan created mcdonald's.
and mcdonald's brought forth the 99-cent double-cheeseburger.
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Maybe God created all those "bad" things eh? That way you'll die sooner and go to heaven, whereas Satan needs you around as long as possible to keep tempting you with sin. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm......."
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President Confuses Science and Belief, Puts Schoolchildren at Risk
by hawkaw inpresident confuses science and belief, puts schoolchildren at risk
washington - "president bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts america's schoolchildren at risk," says fred spilhaus, executive director of the american geophysical union.
"americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world.
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LOL Swan!!! Great post.
I believe 6of9 is using that because virtually all the conservative radioheads constantly tell their listeners that "liberals" hate America. He's now asking you why you hate America.....shoe is on the other foot now you see? -
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Well on a counter point perhaps it was simply the boy having inappropriate thoughts about his mother that is the issue. His guilt of "cheating" on his father by having these thoughts is what has haunted him. As he stated nothing happened.
I guess the greater tragedy may have been the mother having no one else to turn to. The JW's of the time would have told her to go to more meetings to "cure" her pain. So we have a whole group of people unable to find an outlet to move on to a healthier state. As was stated she didn't do this when the hubby was merely out of town, only when the divorce went through. So what changed? Also, if her intent was truly sexual in nature wouldn't more "inappropriate" behavior been shown?
Perhaps it is our own discomfort at the sexualization of children that has become so rampant. Ie, Jonet Benet Ramsey. We cannot seperate sharing a sleeping quarters within a non-sexualized setting? Walk past an Ambercrombie store and all the ads are 3/4 naked boys and girls of barely legal age frolicking. Nakedness used to sell clothing...oldest ad trick in the book. The deification of the child is one that I struggle to understand.
Making a judgement call based on a short post of an event told second hand over 20 years old is pretty tough. Was the mother guilty of bad judgement? Perhaps. Calling it "emotional incest" is a bit chicken little like saying the sky is falling.
When I stayed with my grandmother I would share the same bed....at least until 13 or 14ish...can't recall specifically. Past when I had started masterbation and sexual development...I found nothing arousing, nor illicit about this arrangement. Listening to grandma snore was the most unplesant thing that happened. LOL
If I had been a victim of child abuse I'm sure my thoughts would be different.... but I'm adding my 2 cents to this discussion. A big to do about nothing in my book. -
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President Confuses Science and Belief, Puts Schoolchildren at Risk
by hawkaw inpresident confuses science and belief, puts schoolchildren at risk
washington - "president bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts america's schoolchildren at risk," says fred spilhaus, executive director of the american geophysical union.
"americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world.
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Yes a radical idea I know. Teach SCIENCE in science class. Teach moralistic teachings and the belief in God/Allah/Buddha/Vishnu etc... in church, temple, synagogue, etc. So the children ALREADY are being taught this.
But what the Religious Right Whack jobs want is for God to be taught to all those "other" heathens that don't go to Church....and particularly THEIR church.