when you have work to do around the house?
mine is driving me crazy today and i can't get anything done.
what do you do?
i don't have much money for the latest toys, gimmicks etc, but i always keep a box full of empty cartons, yoghurt pots etc for making things.
the last thing that my middle son made was a yu-gi-oh duel disc launcher (rrp £30) out of a card board box and paper mache. after two weeks and a few plan modifications he now benefits from the toy and the satisfaction of having made it himself.
zaphod(proud mum)
i remember going to sunday meetings...the public talks went by fast (sometimes).
but the watchtower study to me was so boring and not interesting at all.
it felt longer than the public talk.
i must have been a total geek. i loved the watchtower study and always prepared deep and thoughtful answers to all of the questions. it also interested me to listen to others comments and get a different perspective that i had never thought of.
the only thing that did perturb me about this and other participatory meetings was that it was always the same people that studied up and answered and that is maybe where the boredom issue comes into it.
i suppose that you get out of a thing what you're prepared to put into it.
zaphod
the 14 year old jw girl from vernon, bc, has just lost her court case in the bc supreme court in vancouver to not have blood transfutions.
more info.
to come.
regarding honesty's comment:
this may have the opposite effect on the young sister.
my cousin was a bit of a tearaway at 17. he then had a serious accident on his scooter and had to have his spleen removed.
his non-witness father signed for him to have a blood transfusion which saved his life.
this prompted him to dedicate his life to jehovah. he is now an elder, pioneered for fifteen years and is married to the po's daughter.
there's nowt so queer as folk! (in american: go figure!)
zaphod
i was just reading thelisteners post from an earlier thread, and it got me thinking just how little time dubs have to associate togther.. it seems to be more and more the fact, that the only time dubs see each other to "associate" - if you can even call it that - is at meetings and conventions.. even at conventions though, the dubs are told not to go outside for lunch, regardless of whether it is a nice day of not.
(note, this may not be true at all conventions).
where is a jehovah's witness supposed to get this period of refreshment so he can do more?
thanks pd
you think you're the only one who's gone through all this s**t.
it's a shame but a comfort all the same.
zaphod
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jws are always being reminded that you "could" stumble someone.
you had to continuously question yourself about possibly offending another (weak) christian's conscience.....were you always worried that you were going to get into trouble because you might've screwed up somehow??.
i'm afraid that i was not ever afraid to do something wrong as a witness.
i'm afraid that i spoke as i found and did not take any c**p off of anybody.
i'm afriad that i did not last very long.
zaphod
hi dy
just read your biog and was struck how sad it was that you remain in wts so as not to lose touch with friends and family.
i don't profess to know what it really meant when the bible said that we should worship with spirit and truth, but i cannot believe that fear of ostracism can possibly make anyone a good christian.
it's easily as bad as the fear of everlasting torment touted by other religions much maligned by the organisation.
hope that you come to the right decision for you
zaphod
this is all very informative.
my next question is: what is the significance of the "class system" used in members profile, eg. emperor class - jedi master.
is it just indicative of how long a person has been a member, or is there some form of cyber cracker and beaujolais that some of us have the privelege of partaking?
zaphod
thank you all for enlightening me.
and merry, thanks for the welcome and yes beeblebrox!
i'd just seen the trailer for the new movie before i came on line. last thought in - first thought out. lol
zaphod
what is a dub?
i was just reading thelisteners post from an earlier thread, and it got me thinking just how little time dubs have to associate togther.. it seems to be more and more the fact, that the only time dubs see each other to "associate" - if you can even call it that - is at meetings and conventions.. even at conventions though, the dubs are told not to go outside for lunch, regardless of whether it is a nice day of not.
(note, this may not be true at all conventions).
where is a jehovah's witness supposed to get this period of refreshment so he can do more?
i am a single mother with three young boys. have others experienced similar congregational "hospitality" to mine? or have yours been more positive?
when i was associating with the jw congregation i found that there was a thriving social life going on and that myself and my boys had little or no part in it.
like the good christian, i went to the elders for help and encouragement to be told that it was my fault and that i needed to put myself out and give love to receive love.
so, credulous as ever, and in spite of being on benefit, i organised a light-hearted bible quiz, based on the societies literature with buffet and invited some of the other members of the congregation to what i thought was a pleasant evenings association.
i was approached by one of the elders that i had invited, who had concerns that, if i asked the questions in the quiz, this might be deemed as my teaching the brothers that were present and that i would have to make other arrangements.
as i could not take part in the quiz, having written the questions and spent a lot of time trying to make it not too dry and not as i was aware challenging any important doctrinal points ( eg. question What does the bible name deborah mean?), nor could i ask the questions, i was really upset. more upset because i felt that i had followed counsel and put myself out and made the effort to try to organise something fitting.(it was not a rave for goodness sake!)
the evening went ahead. the aforementioned elder was a witty and erudite question master and i made lots of cups of tea and coffee.
i was never invited to the homes of any of these brothers and sisters that had accepted my hospitality. when watchtowers came out on the subject of caring for the fatherless boys in the congregation, or showing love to single parents, i waited in vain for the flood of invitations to field service or family studies from sisters and brothers, who, like us all, often don't think. they would never come.
i decided later to only invite the poor and needy to my home, who did not have the capacity to repay my hospitality, so that i would not be disappointed.
i only miss these old brothers and sisters, not any of our cold elders, now that i am in the world.
i felt that i was being shunned, even before i left the congregation.
zaphod
