Posts by zaphod

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The JWs worst aspects for you are?

by greendawn in

which jw doctrines, collective personality traits and general history do you find to be the most destructive or disagreeable?

i personally found the doctrine of the other sheep which makes the christ inaccesible to most jws, the devilishly complicated moral code, and the hideously totalitarian behaviour of their leadership to be the worst things on a long list that i've prepared regarding what's unacceptable to me in that society.

i remember when i was arguing with the elders about the fds and their claim to total spiritual supremacy and they were telling me that the idea of democracy departs completely from their way of thinking, here they have a theocracy and that even "talking about the right things at the wrong time" is basically a crime in other words sit and wait for the fds to reveal it at the so called right time, and i should accept things as they are and not as i want them to be otherwise i get thrown out.

zaphod

the loving act of shunning.

just a way to stop you telling your loved ones what you found out when you left.

and calling anyone who finds out this stuff an apostate if they try to tell their family and friends.

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how can you stay?

by zaphod in

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speaking as someone who believed it all right up until about a year after i was df'd i just cannot understand the reasoning of people who don't go out on field service, don't go to meetings, don't participate or believe and still stay in the organisation.. i know that it is hard to leave, it's made to be hard, but some of the postings on this site make me think that it must be harder still living a lie and keeping up the pretense.. if you don't believe, why would you want to conform to all the petty rules and subject yourself to men that you don't believe have any authority.. i really do hope that as soon as possible you can all take a deep breath and finally be true to yourself.. zaphod

zaphod

hello flindersgirl

first can i say how much your sister's story touched me. so much so, that i feel that i have to reply to it.

She just couldn't leave, couldn't face the consequences...so when she found out she had cancer at 39 it was a way out of a life that was very unhappy where she could be seen as a "faithful to the end" sister.

this is what bugs me so much about the jw's. even though they are supposed to worship "with spirit and truth" and develop the "spiritual man", when it comes down to it, it is really what the elders and other brothers and sisters think of you that is most important. because if god can see into our hearts. he knows our motives so pretense is futile.

i am not knocking your sister for making this decision but it was really forced upon her by the organisation, who have this power, not only over our lives , but it seems over our lasting memory too.

a way out of a life that was very unhappy where she could be seen as a "faithful to the end" sister.

noone could read your sister's story and believe that these people are following a god of love.

my best wishes

zaphod

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members only

by zaphod in

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friends

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i went to campaign strategies and had my access denied.. as it was in members only i checked that i was in the members directory and i am so why can't i get into it.. please don't tell me that the code of secrecy here is as bad as that of wts.. is this need to know info that i as a mere mortal do not need to know.

zaphod

i went to campaign strategies and had my access denied.

as it was in members only i checked that i was in the members directory and i am so why can't i get into it.

please don't tell me that the code of secrecy here is as bad as that of wts.

is this need to know info that i as a mere mortal do not need to know

zaphod

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Are You or Were You Ever On Meds For Depression?

by minimus in

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friends

i know so many people, not just witnesses that are on zoloft or similar drugs.

i know of some that, once they left the "truth", stopped taking these meds and have not had to go back on them.

i know of some that, if they did not have them, would not be able to properly function......what about you?

zaphod

reading other people's posts has made me remember a time when, after my divorce and lack of support from the congregation i approached an elder to tell him that i was feeling down. i really needed someone to talk to.

he got a sister to come and see me and i thought, how nice, he has set up a friendship. she was taking prozac and she encouraged me to start taking it.

i tried to explain that i was just so lonely in the "truth" but it seemed to me that i was being encouraged to drug myself so that i had an illusion of happiness.

i'd forgotten all about that. it's like remebering someone else's life now.

zaphod

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Are we really free or are we just kidding ourselves?

by cyborgVision in

hope i can get some positive feedback., and i really mean it, don?t want to offend anyone but .. .

reflecting on your own experiences are people on this website mainly open to new points of views, new ideas, or is this mainly a site for criticizing even when there?s no concrete evidence just for the sake of it.

reason why i?m asking this is because i?ve been a member here for just under a week here and already had unpleasant experience of being dragged into pretty nasty argument just because i dared to disagree with someone.

zaphod

there's an old saying that i'm going to misquote,

"give me a boy (or girl) till he is seven and i will show you the man" or words to that effect.

and that's without engaging in mind control techniques.

so there is a good chance that this will stay with us forever (see my biog).

like an ex-alcoholic we will always be ex-dubs but that doesn't mean we can't have a great life, especially if we don't reach for the "bottle" ever again.

zaphod

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So what is Debil da Satan doing these days...?

by upside/down in

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i mean (assuming dds as "christianity" teaches) what is his typical day like... what does an eons old entity with almost "almighty god" like intellect, and lots of power, legions of deemunz and do all day (of course i'm assuming his day never ends as he can fly about the earth and keep up with daylight)?.

where is his "rebutal" to all the one sided info we get in da bible... certainly he has a beef and a right to talk openly about it (like us).. please don't say he's out to get all the dubs (oops i meant the 144k).

he's already got them in his back pocket.. i really would like to know... .

zaphod

is he not floor manager for jerry springer?

zaphod

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.