I went and looked in the bible, no where does it say adam and eve were to live forever,it just says they would die if they ate the fruit,and one day btw is a thousand years to jehovah,keep that in mind undecided.So if what the bible is true then they did die the same day.Adam lived i think 930 years that would be one day to god.Heres where im confused, if god intended us to live forever then why create the tree of the knowledge of good and bad at all? AG
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Franz' statement is outrageously unreasonable!
by Schizm ineternal life on earth?
god told the first human couple their destiny if they disobeyed.
he did not discuss their eternal future if they obeyed.
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Got my return visit today!
by gringojj inso the witnesses came back today to discuss more with me.
it was 2 late 20 yr old men.
i will just give a brief recap.. they told me in the bible it said the earth was a sphere long before people knew it.
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I was not too happy with the way things went.
I guess it equates to this: Lets say I claim I am the reincarnation of George Washington. Can you prove I am not? If you cant disprove that I am, does that mean that that I definately am?
One place they got me was that they said you need a deep understanding of the bible and i suppose that is true because they were able to reference things against the bible and since i dont know what they are referencing in context i cant refute things. But i will not spend the time to thoroughly learn the bible because its worthless to me.
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Got my return visit today!
by gringojj inso the witnesses came back today to discuss more with me.
it was 2 late 20 yr old men.
i will just give a brief recap.. they told me in the bible it said the earth was a sphere long before people knew it.
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Oh they also said god is not all powerful because he cannot lie. So there are limits to what he can do. Has the wts ever said there is nothing god cant do?
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Got my return visit today!
by gringojj inso the witnesses came back today to discuss more with me.
it was 2 late 20 yr old men.
i will just give a brief recap.. they told me in the bible it said the earth was a sphere long before people knew it.
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So the witnesses came back today to discuss more with me. It was 2 late 20 yr old men. I will just give a brief recap.
They told me in the bible it said the earth was a sphere long before people knew it. I told them it says circle in the bible and they said that circle was the english translation but the greek word meant sphere but it was translated as circle. I told them it wouldnt take too much for a deep thinking person to conclude the earth was round, or a sphere.
They said that a gobal flood took place 4000 years ago. I said how could all the animals fit on one ark? They said just the basic kinds were on the ark. I said how can we get all our species from just the basic kinds without evolution? He wrote those concerns as well as how could 8 people take care of so many animals down and will find out for the return visit next week.
Heres the big one. In regards to false prophecies, he said jehovahs org. never predicted these things. He said it was men who were apostate. The false prophet rule applies to men within the org, but not the org itself. Same thing with misquotations. It was men who were in essence trying to sabotage the wts from within. He talked about the case of Ray Franz without saying his name. All the apostates to try and bash the witnesses.
So I asked him how can we know that the stuff we are getting from the wts now isnt from apostates. I dont recall he gave an answer other than it is the true religion because in the bible it says by thier fruits you will know them.
Anyways I have to go but I will post more later if I think of anything. Basically I would bring up a point and they would drone on for 5 minutes about something else it was annoying.
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Is god all knowing?
by gringojj ini dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future?
god is not human.
he had the power to create us.
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Yes Joel I understand what you are saying. It is concievable to think a reasonable god would allow someone to make a choice and deal with the consequences.
But what about a 5 yr old being molested?
Why should they be punished? Why should they have to deal with the consequences? Thats where you lose me.
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Is god all knowing?
by gringojj ini dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future?
god is not human.
he had the power to create us.
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In this case GOD did not CHOOSE TO SEE THE FUTURE OUTCOME.SUPPOSEDELY!
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Is god all knowing?
by gringojj ini dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future?
god is not human.
he had the power to create us.
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Its kind of like letting someone starve to death by just giving him a little food once in a while. Never actually let them die just keep them on the edge and stand there watching as they hang on the brink of death. I think Hitler tortured people in this manner. Good to know Hitler and god are on the same level.
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Is god all knowing?
by gringojj ini dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future?
god is not human.
he had the power to create us.
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So we are just an experiment to see what happens. Loving god lets all these people suffer for his own enjoyment. Nice guy.
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Is god all knowing?
by gringojj ini dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future?
god is not human.
he had the power to create us.
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I dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future? God is not human. He had the power to create us. Supposedly there is no limit to the power he has, and he knows everything. How did he not know that adam and eve would sin if they were given the choice? If god did not know this, then he is not all knowing, and he cant be omniopotent. Any thoughts?
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Bible prophecy clearly indicates 1914?
by gringojj ini was reading the nov. 22nd awake "who will feed the cities?".
on page 14 a german brother relates an experience of coming into the wts.
2 witnesses were at his door and asked him "did you know that the year 1914 was a very special year according to the bible?".
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Anyone want to take a stab at explaining this "clearly"?