Posts by isaacaustin

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Issac,

The verse did not say that. Where does it say anyone was relaying a message anywhere in the texts? Nowhere. You made it up. What books of the Bible were you inspired to write. None! Can you raise the dead and heal the sick as well? No!

My reply: Joseph, you are simply delusional. I didn't make anything up at all. I simply observed the pattern of the use of angels throut the Bible...unlike you who needs to tailor each circumstance to uphold preconceived doctrine. Just as the Angel of the Lord in the OT speaks and it is God speaking thru that angel....The Holy Spirit spoke thru this Angel. An angel is a messenger. The Holy Spirit spoke thru a messenger. Bible class 101.

Then you are stuck with the verse that clearly said: I have sent them. And that I, that Spirit whoever it was in the visions being described is also called/identified as an Angel in Acts. 10:3.

My reply: Untrue, and baseless. It is not identified as the angel....Again- definition of angel- messenger.

Hard for you to take I see. Do you know what scriptural use is for words like this: Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Well I do, and now perhaps a few more reading this do as well.

Joseph

My reply: Not hard for me to take at all. Simply reading in context. Heb 1:7 you are using the KJV and trying to make that word 'spirits' mean the same "Holy Spirit" in Acts.

Let's look at a few other translations of this shall we:

NLT God calls his angels "messengers swift as the wind, and servants made of flaming fire."*

NIV In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.”*

ESV Of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels winds,
and his ministers a flame of fire.”

NASB And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."

RSV Of the angels he says, "Who makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire."

You are as you always do Joseph...taking this hebrews verse out of context. This whole chapter in hebrews is explaining jesus to the Jews and this portion of scripture is distinguishing between Jesus and angels.

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I am an active elder and I voted today!

by outofthebox in

jw
friends

today is a proud day for me.

i became part of my fellow citizens in this country by casting my vote.

it was a thrilling experience (more like a disney ride really, since the line wasn't that long).

isaacaustin

You're a good man OOTB

As to Reniaa question:

managed to destroy the faith of any faithful old witnesses yet?

We can only hope so. Once faith is destroyed in the WT one can begin to know Jesus and understand the Bible.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

nice try Joseph. A lil dishonesty on your part mirrors that of the WT.

Verse 3:

3 About the ninth hour of the day he (Cornelius) clearly saw in a vision an angel of God who had just come in and said to him, “Cornelius!”

Now Peter had his encounter and the Spirit, not the angel that spoke to Cornelius but the SPIRIT spoke to Peter and told him that He had sent the men to him. Nowhere does the Spirit say that he also had spoken directly to Cornelius.

19 While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. 20 “But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.”

The angel that spoke to Cornelius and told him to dispatch men to Joppa for peter was merely relaying a message to him given by the Spirit. Notice he said "I have sent them"...NEVER did He say that he spoke directly to Cornelius.

Again, not very honest on your part there Joseph. Makes one wonder what kind of truth you are trying to present when it needs dishonesty to support it.

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quesion on DA

by isaacaustin in

when someone writes a letter of disassociation but before it is announcedcan the person rescind it and no announcement made?

what would happen and how would this scenario play out?

.

isaacaustin

when someone writes a letter of disassociation but before it is announced…can the person rescind it and no announcement made? What would happen and how would this scenario play out?

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Does the Holy Spirit have personality?

Acts 10:17 Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon’s house, appeared at the gate; 18 and calling out, they were asking whether Simon, who was also called Peter, was staying there. 19 While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. 20 “But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.”

Sounds like it to me.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

What happened to Michaels being while Jesus was playing human on earth?.....Any takers?

I believe the teaching is that Michael willed himself out of existance- sounds like suicide to me. His life force was then transferred to Mary's womb and the baby Jesus was born. Upon Jesus ascension he resumed his role as Michael. Makes you wonder why the Bible does not refer to the glorified Jesus as Michael.

And what exactly is life force? JWs only beleive in body and spirit- and they teach the spiriti, like electricity, does not take on any of the characteristics of the person. Becomes a tangled web of multiple contradictions.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

All I can say Joseph is that you have presented scripture showing that the Father and Son are separate persons, or entities if you prefer. You have then made the leap and ASSERTED with no basis that the Son is not God in nature. We all know already that the Father and Son are separate entities. You then play some intense mental gymnastics and stringing together of verses to try to make Jesus of a lesser nature. In the process you ignore or try to explain away clear verses that a straight reading in context show Jesus to be God in nature.
Since your FDS Mr Russel was a proven false prophet, why are you so sure he is right about the nature of Jesus?

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

and don't forget

2 Co 3: 17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.

Which I know you won't take at face value.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Issac,

You cannot stay with the verses can you? Always jumping somewhere else like the WTS. That is the only way Trinitiarianism with such distractions and distortions can exist. You divided the One God with your explanation. You merge Him with humanity because you do not understand what the words really mean. No scripture that say the Holy Spirit is God. But plenty of scriptures that teach that the Holy Spirit is in addition to God like this: Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. So God, all of God, those three persons you believe in has in addition to Himself Holy Spirit. That makes 4 of something associated with God not three.

Joseph

I stayed completely within the context of those verses. They just do not seem to fit your definitions which are tailored to your preconceived doctrines. I in no way divided the one God. I explained how the persons operate as one God, as one spiritual flesh. That is strawman logic you are trying on the '4'.

Regarding no verses calling the Holy Spirit God...only in a mind that needs to overlook that to support their own preconceived doctrine...to give you a few...

Ps 78

17 But they continued to sin against him,
rebelling in the desert against the Most High.

18 They willfully put God to the test
by demanding the food they craved.

They put God to the test...ok...

Isaiah say in ch 63

10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit.
So he turned and became their enemy
and he himself fought against them.

Oh wow. He identifies the person of the Divine Being.

Deut 32:

12 The LORD alone led him;
no foreign god was with him.

WHo led Israel? God, Yahweh. Ok.

You must not like Isaiah Joseph...

ch 63: 14 like cattle that go down to the plain,
they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD.
This is how you guided your people
to make for yourself a glorious name.

or how about Zechariah in Luke when he regained his ability to speak- filled with the Holy Spirit he said in ch 1:

68 "Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come and has redeemed his people.
69 He has raised up a horn [d] of salvation for us
in the house of his servant David
70 (as he said through his holy prophets of long ago),

Who spoke thru the holy prophets?

2nd Pet 1: 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Does God exist divided?

Not at all. He exists as one spiritual flesh...operating in perfect unity.

The scriptures are proving that two Persons along side each other do not make up One God. It makes two persons that are called God for different reasons.

Two persons operating as one God.

They also have different identities and are different Beings as well.

Different persons- not different beings. We in our finite existance can only have one person subsist in us. God in his infinite being is not subject to this limitation.

The scriptures are showing you this point blank and you choose to ignore the reality of these visions.

They in no way prove your point Joseph