that was a copy paste from me above-http://mmoutreachinc.com/jehovahs_witnesses/john1_support.html
isaacaustin
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Why JWs should soft-pedal the "Divine Name"
by Open mind inthis is prompted by reniaa who claims that one of the things that jws have right is the name jehovah.. you know how if you're trying to convert someone to be a jw, you put your best foot forward and try to keep the controversial stuff that might "stumble" them on the back burner?
(like say, mother's day or when i was a kid, pinatas?
) well, that's how i categorize the whole topic of the divine name.
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Why JWs should soft-pedal the "Divine Name"
by Open mind inthis is prompted by reniaa who claims that one of the things that jws have right is the name jehovah.. you know how if you're trying to convert someone to be a jw, you put your best foot forward and try to keep the controversial stuff that might "stumble" them on the back burner?
(like say, mother's day or when i was a kid, pinatas?
) well, that's how i categorize the whole topic of the divine name.
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isaacaustin
Yes, the key word above is "UNITARIAN". This is a cult teaching that Jesus was an extraordinarily good man only, nothing more. A Mr. Thomas Belsham after Archbishop Newcome's death, altered his text. [See page 394, "Manual of Biblical Bibliography".]
This altered text dishonoring Archbishop Newcome's careful scholarship also provided a basis for the New World Translation's "...and the Word was a god".(see also the Kingdom Interlinear Translation, page 1160, 1969 ed.)
Archbishop Newcome certainly never said, the Word was "a god". why would the Watchtower use as their guide a cult denying the Biblical Christ, and guilty of altering a reputable biblical text? Every Jehovah's witness needs to check this out.
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Why JWs should soft-pedal the "Divine Name"
by Open mind inthis is prompted by reniaa who claims that one of the things that jws have right is the name jehovah.. you know how if you're trying to convert someone to be a jw, you put your best foot forward and try to keep the controversial stuff that might "stumble" them on the back burner?
(like say, mother's day or when i was a kid, pinatas?
) well, that's how i categorize the whole topic of the divine name.
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isaacaustin
"Newcome" New Testament
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Translated by William Newcome, but revised by Unitarians. Published 1808. One of the first to use "Jehovah" in the NT, and the first in English to translate John 1:1 "the Word was a god".Not a valid source- notice the words "Revised by Unitarians"
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Why JWs should soft-pedal the "Divine Name"
by Open mind inthis is prompted by reniaa who claims that one of the things that jws have right is the name jehovah.. you know how if you're trying to convert someone to be a jw, you put your best foot forward and try to keep the controversial stuff that might "stumble" them on the back burner?
(like say, mother's day or when i was a kid, pinatas?
) well, that's how i categorize the whole topic of the divine name.
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isaacaustin
I appreciate your point isaac and the 130 something times Jws have put jehovah into the Nt they have to be accountable for but I would uphold them if they putting it in a scripture which is a direct quote from an OT one using the tetragrammeton. how can it be more correct not to use it if your quoting from a scripture that does use it?
36 For David himself said by the holy spirit, ' Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make 37 thine enemies thy footstool. ...
and jws weren't the first to put it into the nt"Newcome" New TestamentNew window
Translated by William Newcome, but revised by Unitarians. Published 1808. One of the first to use "Jehovah" in the NT, and the first in English to translate John 1:1 "the Word was a god".Griesbach Novum Testamentum Graece, Vol 2 (1810)New window
Facsimile of the second volume of Griesbach's last edition of his Greek Testament.Heinfetter New TestamentNew window
A literal translation of the New Testament, by Herman Heinfetter. Translated by Frederick Parker. 1863. Digital facsimile in PDF. Uses "Jehovah" many places.Reniaa,
You are saying that when a OT quote that bears the Divine name is quoted in the NT, Jehovah should be used in the NT. I have heard this reasoning before..and i have been asked if I felt that Jesus, for instance, used the title Lord as opposed to Jehovah. Yes, I do. Let's look at a verse that the NWT insert Jehovah into the NT- Matt 22:3-4-40
" 34 After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
We see Jehovah in verse 37. I beleive Jesus used the title Lord. Why? Reading the account we see the religious leaders were trying (unsuccessfully) to 'trap' Jesus. They could not catch him in anything. had he used the Divine name- which they would have considered blasphemy- they would have had him.
The sources you gave me for use of the name Jehovah in the NT are simply translations from the 1800's- WHICH WERE TRANSLATED FROM THE SAME GREEK MANUSCRIPTS ALL OTHER VERSIONS WERE TANSLATED FROM. As we well know, the 5000+ extant copies do not contain the Divine name. So those sources you quoted give no evidence that the Divine name belongs in the NT.
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Why JWs should soft-pedal the "Divine Name"
by Open mind inthis is prompted by reniaa who claims that one of the things that jws have right is the name jehovah.. you know how if you're trying to convert someone to be a jw, you put your best foot forward and try to keep the controversial stuff that might "stumble" them on the back burner?
(like say, mother's day or when i was a kid, pinatas?
) well, that's how i categorize the whole topic of the divine name.
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isaacaustin
Reniaa
The NWT does o just fine in restoring the Divine name to the OT...as do other versions such as the ASV. We have the backup to show the Tetragrammeton was present. However, the NWT is alone and unsubstiated in 'restoring' the Divine name to the NT- they have 'restored' something that was never there. Acts 4:12 is pretty clear as to the name we need to call upon. So is Phil 2:9...so is Roman 10:9-13 (although in verse 13 the NWT wrongly 'restores' the Divine name and muddies who we are to call on, the context of the preceding verses shows it to be Jesus).
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How Were You Treated as a Jehovah's Witness if You Had Depression ?
by flipper inmost of us who were in the jehovah's witnesses for some time realize that for years the watchtower society had always discouraged it's rank and file members from going to see therapists, or professional counselors if they had depression, or serious chemical depression.
the watchtower society always told us to go out in service more, do more personal study, be more regular at meetings - and essentially we would lose our depression , and everything would fall right back into place.
the old, " don't worry, be happy " cliche.
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isaacaustin
You could probably be disfellowshipped for depression
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Jehovah's Witness---ARE THEY ENJOYING THE SABBATH?
by Terry inaccording to the bible timetable, man's history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years.
adam was created in 4026 b.c.e., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 c.e.
we are in the great 7,000-year rest day of god, starting at the time he rested after the creation of adam and eve.
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isaacaustin
Terry! For shame! First of all, above all else how could you question what Jehovah's channel of communication has dispensed to its domestics as food at the proper time. Any honest-hearted person knows that the men on the governing body are trying as hard as possible as Satan works overtime on them to try to deceive them.
Ummm.
Actually the WT has stated in their 7/15/08 study WT that the world will know when Jehovah pronounces judgment on the world that their message has originiated from him. So this 1975 message, according to their own words, must have originated from him. I seem to remember Deut 18 talking about what happens when one speaks something in the name of God and it doesn't come to pass.
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Jehovah's Witness---ARE THEY ENJOYING THE SABBATH?
by Terry inaccording to the bible timetable, man's history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years.
adam was created in 4026 b.c.e., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 c.e.
we are in the great 7,000-year rest day of god, starting at the time he rested after the creation of adam and eve.
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isaacaustin
Terry
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WT for sale...
by kzjw inwhen did the wts stop the sale of publications and start "givng them away" ?
also does anyone know what it costs publishers/pioneers for the wt & asleep rags now?
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isaacaustin
Basically...Jimmy Swaggart had to pay CA a large amount in sales tax due to the sale of religious lit. He paid it, then appealed and lost. It became law that the sale of religious lit was subject to sales tax...and that is why the WT changed its arrangement.
Let me find you a link with the precise details....
http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/84.htm
Go there- it gives the whole picture...
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July 15th WT?
by cabasilas ini've heard the july 15th wt has new interpretations of jesus' parables - dragnet, mustard seed, leaven, etc.
has a pdf of it been posted yet?
or, perhaps i missed it?
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isaacaustin
and here I thought that they were NOT a flase prophet because they NEVER said "these are the words of Jehovah." Yet now their message does originate with Jehovah? What about the 1914 generation- did that?
