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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Sacolton,

For the same reason that it was also written in parables. Jesus explained it like this: Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. This also prevented tampering with the message to the point where it could no longer be recovered by the readers.

Joseph

Revelation ch 19 shows that the archangel was not Jesus. It mentions Jesus descending and an angel also coming with a loud shout....

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

The vision was a thing of the past.

Issacaustin,

No it wasn't. It was very much on Stephen's mind just a short time later when he called out. Do you really believe a short time made this vision go away or no longer applied? Do you have some proof that God and Jesus were no longer standing together?

Joseph

He was dragged outside the city. How short a time frame do you think that was? Yes, I beleive the vision was over. DO I have proof that God and Jesus were no longer standing together? No...do you have proof that they were? Either way, he prayed to Jesus and asked him to receive his spirit

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
	Act 7:56	And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Here is Steven having and speaking of his vision. Then...
	Act 7:57	Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
	Act 7:58	And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. Obviously some time later. The vision is over.
	Act 7:59	And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
	Act 7:60	And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

How did get this weird interpretation even using the word they for Stephen who was doing the calling? This same man also just envisioned this: 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Stephen knew they were both there when he called out to them. He wanted Jesus to receive his Spirit as he knew the God he appealed to had Jesus alongside Him also listening to this request.

Wrong Joseph. Why did you stop there and not include the next few verses? After seeing the vision Stephen was dragged outside the city. Then he was stoned. The vision was a thing of the past. His calling upon the lord to receive his spirit was long past the vision.

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Quote from Edward Gibbons Re: Excommunication. Anyone know it's source?

by Awakened at Gilead in

excommunicationwhateffect?.

english historian edward gibbon wrote about the propriety and effect of disfellowshipping nearer the time of the apostles:.

"it is the undoubted right of every society to exclude from its communion and benefits such among its members as reject or violate those regulations which have been established by general consent.

isaacaustin

lol this makes me think of the medical professional the WT used to quote from from the 1700's for support that a transfusion is eating blood.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

ok, Joseph...but let me get back on track to what the verse is saying. The Son and Father received equal worship there. Either the Son is God or he is not. Mutually exclusive. If he is God he correclty recieved worship along with the Father. If not, he should have been there with the creatures in hevaen worshipping the Father.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Who else is eternal besides God?

Jesus is eternal- he was not created.

Rev 5:13

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

If Jesus was created he would be included in "every creature which is in heaven". He is excluded form this group as the verse shows that every creature which is in heaven gives "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

hi sacolton I'm glad of this question because it made me research the whole voice thing could it just be a random archangels voice consider the following.....

Because the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice, and with God's trumpet. And the dead in Christ will rise again first. Thessalonians 4:16 Greens Literal Translation
Now lets see what Christ said when He was on Earth.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

The only voice mentioned in thess here is an archangels voice for the dead to hear but that voice to call them is the son of Gods? how can this be? unless son of God and the archangel are one and the same.

its an interesting quandary!

Reniaa

Reniaa,

1st Thess 4: 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

is restated in Revelation ch 19...pay attention to verse 17:

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”

Verse 17 clearly identifies this angel...being distinct from our Lord.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

Joseph,

The point I was trying to make was that obeisance/worship, as per Peter, does not go to man. Peter said this. Jesus never corrected anyone for worshipping him. Hebrews says that all angels are to worship him. We have a scene in Revelation ch 5 (or is it 4?) where the Lamb receives the same worship as the Father.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

isaacaustin

The constant reminders that they are 3 separate beings means that God is lying in OT when he says he is one God.

Deu 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

use Jehovah in place of Lord if you like

one God- not 3 Gods. 3 person who work in perfect unity which is actually what this particular Hebrew word 'one' can denote- echad..this can mean numerical one or can mean one, as in unity...such as a compound unity. The other Hebrew word for one is 'yachid' which can only mean one in number- this word is never attributed to God. So your verse in Deut is not indisputable by any means.