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  JW terminology really gets my goat

  by Ellie in

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  i don't know if its just me or if anyone else feels the same but it really annoys me when jehovahs witnesses use their terminology when speaking to a non jw.. for example, a jw woman is talking to a collegue who has never had a bible study and knows nothing about jws.. instead of saying "i have a friend coming for tea tonight" the woman says " one of the sisters is coming for tea tonight".. or, instead of "i was talking to a friend on the phone last night" she says "i was talking to an elder on the phone last night".. it just really winds me up, i think they do it to seem important and mysterious but it only leaves the other person confused.

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  luna2

  If you're a dub (or even an ex-dub) it's sometimes hard to go back and forth from normal to JW terms. You get used to talking about and to dubs using their special language and it's difficult to switch back when talking to non-JWs. I would try not to use dubspeak when talking to my parents, but it was difficult especially when referring to members of the congregation I wasn't close to. I could never think of the "friends" as Mr. or Mrs....even now. LOL
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  Question style in Keep on Watch Brochure

  by stillajwexelder in

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  2. bible

  have you noticed how publications of late in question and answer mode have very personalized and viewpoint questions.

  they have gone very pointed.

  this seems a definite trend and i wonder if it is one particular writer with a certain style or it has approval from the whole gb to get more pointed in their questions.

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  luna2

  They used to always say that they wanted comments that were "in your own words" and not read back directly from the paragraphs. However, when it came time for the WT study, the conductor would often re-ask the question right after someone actually had an interesting comment that they'd obviously researched and thought about. There would be barely a "thank you" before asking for other comments. When the second commentor would read the answer from the WT, the conductor would be all smiles and obviously much more approving. Everybody learned pretty quick not to bother putting much thought into their comments.
  

  I wonder how this asking for personal expressions is going to work out. I can see them easily running out of time and lots of frustration on the elders' parts with trying to direct the flock's thinking along approved WTS guidlines.
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  Were/Are you afraid to read the Watchtower Publications?

  by LyinEyes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to confess that i was a bit afraid to even touch any new jw publications for so long.

  i know it sounds so silly but i was afraid if i read something in them, i might get brainwashed again.

  it was hard for me to admit that i was so brainwashed as one of jw's.

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  luna2

  Oddly enough, I haven't picked up a Watchtower or an Awake since I walked out of the KH for the last time over three years ago. At first there may have been some guilt and fear at play. As time has passed, the feeling that most comes to mind when I see the mags is boredom and resentment. I have no desire to waste my time trying to slog through the stuff.
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  The Right To Judge Others

  by FairMind in

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  2. friends

  yesterday our visiting elder-public speaker, cautioned against judging others.

  he made allowance though for elders to judge or analyze the non-elders in the congregation.

  i have always felt that distinctions based on position in the congregation are wrong.

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  luna2

  Like everything that comes from the WTS it's contradictory. One week you'll have a talk or a WT lesson on not judging others and showing love, yada, yada, yada. The next week it will be on bad association, which is really saying that you should make judgements on people, even fellow JW's, in order to not socialize with them if they don't meet whatever standards you've decided are essential. Sometimes the contradictions would be right in the same article...on the one hand, don't judge others, buuutttt, on the other hand, don't hang out with those who aren't up to snuff (which requires analyzing, judging and condeming).

  I never pinpointed this while I was in. All I knew is that it seemed like you were always wrong somehow and that those who had strong personalities would try to shove their personal opinions onto everybody else. It could get incredibly petty...like the time a group of sisters were going to book hotel rooms up at a District Assembly. One sister wanted to get her own room and not share. There was this huge uproar about how terribly selfish and unloving she was because there were pioneers or others who didn't have the money to pay for their own room and needed a roommate. The poor sis had trouble with snoring and knew she'd either disturb the sleep of whoever she shared a room with...or she'd be the one up all night trying not to make any noise. She stuck firm to her decision and was ostracized for a good long while by some of the "loving" sisters for it.

  As a person who was always trying to make everybody happy, I finally couldn't take it anymore. I decided not to go back until I was strong enough to define and live my own code of ethics and not be affected by whatever that week's Watchtower position was or by those in the congregation, be it elders, visiting speakers, CO's, pioneers or just buttinsky publishers at large. Of course, once you decide to think for yourself, there isn't a lot of incentive to wade back into the WTS mindset again.
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  Prophet Yahweh to summon UFO's?

  by jt stumbler in

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  i heard this guy interviewed on radio a couple nights ago.

  apparently he was witnessed summoning ufos.

  anyone else hear of this guy?

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  luna2

  Interesting...weird...but interesting. LOL So his name is Prophet Yahweh? Seems a little presumptuous, but I guess he can call himself whatever he likes. I'll be waiting to see what happens in the next couple of weeks.

  Leolaia, thanks for further info on Prophet Yahweh, Lord of Nightmares. It all sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook to me. Worse even than JW gobbledygook.
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Truly Honest?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  jws pride themselves in being the "most honest people on earth".

  could you refute that claim??

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  luna2

  I worked for an elder who was adept at being deceptive in such a way as to be able to claim he told the technical truth even though he knew perfectly well he wasn't really being honest.

  My parents had construction work done by another elder where he promised all kinds of things from when the job would be completed to certain work that he was going to perform and didn't live up to his word.

  I've had one of the "friends" borrow money promising to pay me back promptly, and then never bothering to pay me back at all...so not only a liar but a thief.

  There are JW's who will say that they are "brothers" or "sisters" to hospital staff in order to visit someone gravely ill knowing that only close family members are supposed to be allowed in.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are no more honest than any other group of people in this world...they just talk like they are.
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  Leviathan

  by myelaine in

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  2. bible

  and in the morning the word of the lord came to me, saying, son of man, has not the house of israel, the rebellious house, said to you, what are you doing?

  say to them, thus says the lord god: this burden concerns the prince in jerusalem and all the house of israel who are among them.

  i will not conceal his limbs, his mighty power, or his graceful proportions.

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  luna2

  myelaine: good morning minimus.

  minimus: good morning myelaine.

  ROTFLMAO!
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  As a witness, would you have believed this?

  by IronGland in

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  what if franz stated he found some seer stones and put them inside his tophat and was able to read them and they gave him a new gospel but god took the stones to heaven and now you just have to believe him?

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  That's a good question. I'm not sure if I would have or not. Might have depended on what point in my dubdom this light was revealed. In the beginning, when I was so gung-ho, I probably would have. Later? Ugh, not sure. I'd like to think it would have at least given me a belly ache much like the new light on the 1914 generation and the new and improved blood policy did.
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  TROOPS

  by Sunspot in

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  2. current

  we keep hearing that troops are being deployed, or troops are entering some area, etc, etc.

  i've heard of scout troops and the like---meaning a "group" of people doing a particular thing or activity.

  i asked hubby how many people form a "troop" when we hear these announcements, and he said that one person is considered a "troop".

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  luna2

  It's military slang, kls. Kind of a shortened form of "trooper". I heard my ex use it all the time when talking to individuals. God, I hate the military. LOL Sorry ....had a flashback.
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  WHAT IS INTELLECTUAL HONESTY?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  freud said:.

  "if it were really a matter of indifference what we belive, then we might just as well build our bridges of cardboard as of stone, or inject a tenth of a gram of morphine into a patient instead of a hundredth, or take teargas as a narcotic instead of ether; but the intellectual anarchists themselves would strongly repudiate any such practical applications of their theory.".

  intellectual honesty requires a match between the real world; the practical world where things either work or do not work at all.....and the state of mind inside your head.. if there is any mismatch at all the blurred line fuzzes out into failure to recognise what is real and what isn't.. jehovah's witnesses replace the real world with an artificially constructed one.

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  I am finding this upsetting to contemplate. I have a horrible feeling that I've always lived in some sort of fantasy world more or less and the whole JW thing was just another, more comprehensive, fairytale.

  I don't know what I believe. I'm not liking the person that is being revealed as I strip away the layers of self-delusion. I'm beginning to doubt that intellectual honesty is something that I can attain.

  Ugh. I'm not having a good day. Maybe I should go out and wash the siding...at least I'll have accomplished something concrete today.