Posts by carla

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With no reporting necessary do they still need a territory guy?

by carla in

now that they no longer have to report hours do they still need a territory guy?

maps?

etc...?.

carla

Now that they no longer have to report hours do they still need a territory guy? maps? etc...?

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Cult or High Control Group?

by MillennialDawn in

jw
friends

i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

" i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

"cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

I find that ex jw's and jw's do not like to call it a cult. Everybody I know who is nonjw/never been a jw (atheist, agnostic, Christian, etc...) all say the same thing if you bring up jw's; "yes, I have heard a bit about them, they are a cult". Without exception that has been my experience.

Walks like a duck...... might be a duck.

If there is no graceful way to leave your group/organization/church, you might be in a cult.

If you change the way you dress, makeup and hair to 'fit' in, you might be in a cult.

If your leaders can have control of what you do in the bedroom with your lawful spouse, you might be in a cult.

If you change jobs or don't take certain jobs because someone might be 'stumbled' or find you 'less than' spiritually for doing said job; you might be in a cult.

When you quit celebrating the life and holidays you have always enjoyed with your loved ones because your leaders told you to; you might be in a cult.

If you are happy and willing to shun someone without even knowing their so called 'sin'; you might be in a cult.

If you are willing to throw your own children out like the trash and are not allowed to show natural affections; you might be in a cult.

When you actually do everything the 'wordly' people are doing on a certain date but have to keep walking around saying, "we are not celebrating Thanksgiving even though we are gathering here together eating turkey and all the fixings with our loved ones and friends (for example); you might be in a cult.

When you are willing to give up your very life and that of your minor children (blood) because your leaders told you to; you might be in a cult.

When you are willing to hide/look the other way when a child is raped and molested because your group might get a bad reputation if people found out; you might be in a cult.

If you can no longer make a decision on what to watch or read without consulting your group/org/leaders and getting their permission; you might be in a cult.

If you are gleeful when reading about other groups/organizations/churches downfalls/pedo problems/natural disasters etc...; you might be in a cult.

If you are looking forward to the demise of 99% of the rest of the world at your fictional end time scenario; you might be in a cult.

When your fearless leaders refer to innocent children as "enemies of God"; you might be in a cult.

When finding joy outside of your group/organization/church finds you with severe guilt; you might be in a cult.

This list could go on and on.

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Whatever happened to JW paedo Michael Porter?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i remember reading about this guy in a national newspaper in 2010 after he had had his trial for child sex abuse.

porter avoided prison, despite being guilty of some acts child abuse.. the local elders defended him and were on his side and didn't df him, from what i remember.

then after an outcry porter was was df'd, and i think sent to prison.. anyone up-to-date on this?.

carla

Here is an article on him-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/24/ukcrime.stevenmorris

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My goodness! Fourteen years since I began posting here...

by garyneal in

jw
friends

i'm not sure if anyone remembers me since i do not post here much anymore.

i sometimes pop in around christmas time to see if anyone is interested in exchanging christmas cards like we used to back when i first posted on this site.

speaking of which, the holiday season will soon be upon us.. if you recall, i was married to a jehovah's witness and i had a daughter i spoke of a lot.

carla

Hey Gary! Sorry things didn't work out with your wife.

I am a ubm (never jw) and I also loved the Christmas cards. Why anyone would think that a simple act of kindness is a bad thing is beyond me.

My kids have grown up, married and kids of their own and luckily no jw's in the bunch. They have become Christians with churches of their choosing and all are happy. We still have a chuckle about dad being jw and how he tries to juggle holidays so he can be there for grandchildren. We shall see how it continues as the kids grow.

I wish all the best going forward even if it will be a bit scary as change often is. You have been through a lot, hope you give yourself permission to move forward and keep the love of your family in your life.

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Goodbye Mother

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

that was indeed very traumatic.

i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

carla

I'm so sorry punk, glad your kids were there to help. Wishing you all peace.

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"My book of bible stories" is child abuse!!

by Witness 007 in

i once gave this book to a woman with kids at the door...to my shock my next visit she gave it back saying it was discusting and full of violence and sex!

this book was clearly written by some bethel loser with no kids.

i don't understand why witnesses don't have a separate kids school..

carla

As a non jw who went to Sunday school I can assure you that mainstream churches do NOT have children reading about masturbation, death and violence. Our Bible stories were simple and age appropriate. If you are of a certain age perhaps you remember Golden Books? they were simple cute books for children, they put out a number of children's bible stories. We also often did singing and a craft or coloring in Sunday school. In mainstream churches they do not discuss sex, masturbation, oral, anal and whatever else the perverts like to discuss with children and in mixed company (once upon a time such topics were not discussed in front of men & women together).

I can't even imagine sitting in church with my Dad or Grandparents when such topics would be brought up! It is just one of the many reasons I never allowed my kids anywhere near a kh. Told my jw that if anyone ever tried to have a discussion like what jw's do in their 'service' I would beat the shit out of the speaker.

Before I get roasted for that, when discussing the above topic with other non jw's they all agree they would do the same. I don't know, are jw's just a bunch of perverts or what?

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What happens when people are shunned from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

by Black Sheep in

an article on rnz, a news site in new zealand.. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil.

carla

nevermind, it's working now, thanks.

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What happens when people are shunned from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

by Black Sheep in

an article on rnz, a news site in new zealand.. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil.

carla

link isn't working, got another?

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Tattoos

by NotFormer in

i was wondering about the jw attitude towards getting tattoos.. redditors suggest that the only jws who have them would have got them before they were baptised.. jw.org gives a meally-mouthed "true christians wouldn't" response.. but no-one (that i've seen so far) answers the question i'm actually asking: is getting a tattoo after being baptised a disfellowshipping offence?.

if not disfellowshipable, how would a typical jw congregation treat someone who got a tattoo after baptism?

would they really treat it like it is a conscience issue?.

carla

"Oh I've never been called riff raff before " - better than in the U.S., tatts on women used to be called tramp stamps.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Tattoos

by NotFormer in

i was wondering about the jw attitude towards getting tattoos.. redditors suggest that the only jws who have them would have got them before they were baptised.. jw.org gives a meally-mouthed "true christians wouldn't" response.. but no-one (that i've seen so far) answers the question i'm actually asking: is getting a tattoo after being baptised a disfellowshipping offence?.

if not disfellowshipable, how would a typical jw congregation treat someone who got a tattoo after baptism?

would they really treat it like it is a conscience issue?.

carla

sorry careful, bit testy today. as you know it is convention season so it makes life hard on ubm's.

thanks for the best wishes