It was something that troubled me as a young teen - that my inability to preach such an important message would result in the deaths of those I called on. In contrast, I was recently talking to an elderly JW (of about 40 + years) and we discussed how they had never actually converted anyone...but they said as soon as they got someone interested, they would pass them on to someone else who was better at 'going in for the kill' so to speak. So it isn't about the 'heart condition' of the person, but the sales/manipulation ability of the JW.
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WT Society Feels they are Above the Laws of the Land - Even in their own....
by flipper in...... words.
knowing that the candace conti child abuse case was probably coming down the turnpike as was the 5 out of court child abuse settlements the wt society settled in san diego, california - this past april as most of you know the wt society sent a secret letter instructing all elders to essentially keep their " pie-holes " shut ( mouths for those not hip to modern lingo ) and essentially instructed them to not divulge anything to any authorities investigating crimes or other information concerning wt organization operations.. someone posted a thread on this in april, however - with all the news coming out about wt child abuse coverups, the anonymous organization investigating the wt society , i felt it important to reveal some snippets of what the wt society instructed their elders regarding legal issues.
in one section it states, " when someone seeks confidential information : you should never reveal confidential information to anyone unless theocratic procedure requires it or the branch office has instructed you to do so.
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Something that never struck me before, is what would the quality of these records/notes be - made by Elders with no training or apt skills who are not full time 'Ministers' ...? I think generally JWs do regard themselves above the Law where it conflicts with WT policy - which is regarded as a 'Higher Law' as it's perceived as God's Law (give unto Caesar etc etc...basically ONLY what you have to). And, again for lurking newbies... http://www.silentlambs.org/education/92_murder_letter.cfm
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Good-bye, friends
by BizzyBee inwe bees leave for our trip this afternoon - a river cruise from budapest to the black sea.
everyone on the ship is a tandem cycling couple.
we will visit hungary, serbia, moldav, romania, austria, germany and croatia.. it will be a nice break from politics and the world news since we don't watch much tv on these trips.. hold down the fort - see you in a couple of weeks!.
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MidwichCuckoo
Sounds fabulous BizzyBee - have a great time !
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Obey Elders and Be Happy Children!
by Marvin Shilmer inobey elders and be happy children!.
today i added a new article to my blog addressing watchtower theology regarding its appointment of elders among jehovahs witnesses.
watchtower makes no bones about it.
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MidwichCuckoo
Love it! How do JWs explain this..?
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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?
by rather be in hades ini'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.
everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.
i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .
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When I was about 14, an Elder came and counselled my Mum for allowing me to wear a T Shirt depicting Christ with crown of thorns. It was actually a ''Saturday Evening Post Pioneer'' TShirt (quite popular at time - anyone else remember them?) depicting an aviator with his flying goggles on his head.
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Irish slaves: the forgotten history of slavery in the New World
by King Solomon inthe bible, ot & nt, certainty doesn't prohibit the most basic of human civil rights, freedom from slavery.
of course, the bible was used to justify the ownership of slaves in america, as in many other lands.. an often-forgotten footnote in the history of america is that there was a time when poor white irish were imported from ireland to be sold as slaves during the 17th and 18th century.
in fact, their worth was considered even lower than that of black slaves, who often fetched a price 10x that of an irish slave!
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An example of the slave trade that astounded me when I first read of it was of the English who used to enslave the Welsh, in fact the English word for the Welsh then became synonymous with slave, and the English exported the slaves to Africa !
...also (unrepealed Law)... Any resident of Chester is allowed to shoot a Welshman with a longbow if he is within the city walls on a Sunday (after sunset..?)
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New Article - Birthdays, Why the Watchtower stance is wrong
by jwfacts ini have a new article at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/birthdays.php outlining why the watchtower stance against birthdays is wrong.
there have been a number of threads on jwn discussing this, and the article collates and summarises the points raised in these threads.
please feel free to point out any errors in grammar or logic.
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My parents had me almost convinced that I was not missing out by not celebrating my birthday, but watching my son shows me how much I did miss out on.
So true. It was my birthday last week, and I had three cards (one of those being from someone I've never met - but befriended in recent years on internet). I used to feel sad when I'd see my friends have a whole windowsill of cards - yet those who knew when my birthday was were discouraged from acknowledging it.
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New Article - Birthdays, Why the Watchtower stance is wrong
by jwfacts ini have a new article at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/birthdays.php outlining why the watchtower stance against birthdays is wrong.
there have been a number of threads on jwn discussing this, and the article collates and summarises the points raised in these threads.
please feel free to point out any errors in grammar or logic.
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MidwichCuckoo
Love it...thank you.
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Introducing Mrs Cedars...
by cedars ini just thought you should know that mrs cedars has finally taken the plunge and joined the forum.
she was able to log on for the first time yesterday.. though we both "awakened" at different stages, mrs cedars was very supportive and non-judgmental when i first began exploring my beliefs from a critical standpoint.
she is currently in the process of reading crisis of conscience and aquainting herself with some of the facts of witness history that were hitherto unknown.
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MidwichCuckoo
Hello there Mrs Cedars...welcome
Yes, I'm all for a recipe thread!
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Sorry!! Another Daily Mail Article -Harassment at work JW's again!!!!
by cantleave inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174181/sales-rep-repeatedly-accused-gay-didn-t-like-football-wins-44-000-payout-harassment.html.
sales rep who was branded 'gay' because he didnt like football wins 44,000 payout following months of 'atrocious' bullying.
michael austin was branded a 'crafty butcher' by his workmates.
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MidwichCuckoo
Another refreshing article (marked). It's a tad 'unusual' that the JWs are so passionate about football. Tut tut.