Posts by tmo1965

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WHO DID JESUS SPEAK TO IN PRAYER?

by PMJ in

jesus spoke to jehovah god in prayer.jehovah being the allmighty god.the nt is centered around jesus.thats true but this does not mean jesus is the one we should worship.surley we should all want to pray to the god jesus prayed two

tmo1965

BizzyBee

I have seen many supposed contradictions of the Bible. What I have discovered is that the alleged contradictions are not contradictions at all. Apparently, the people who come up with these alleged contradictions don't know the Bible at all. In fact I think the majority of them are just repeating what they heard from somewhere else with little or no knowledge of the scriptures. In order to fnd any real contradictions one must have a full understanding of the scriptures. I get a big laugh out of people point out these "contradictions" to me only find the answer is in the very same chapter and sometimes in the very same verse that the "contradiction" is in. For example the first one on your list: If you read the complete verse of Luke 2:2 you will find that Quirinius was the governer of Syria. If you do a little research on the structure of the government of the Roman Empire and find out who Caesar Augustus was and who Herod was, I am very confident that you will too realize that there is no contradiction between the 2 verses in question.

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How will it be after the WTBTS will have fallen ?

by Genesis in

jw
friends

i sometimes imagine that the wt is destroyed (mental masturbation yeah) and all the people left without hope, sanity and joy.

this will be terrible in itself, if the wt falls suddently i fear a mass suicide.i recall myself thinking that id would rather die that not be in "the truth".

it will be a terrible shock for everybody.

tmo1965

PIPE DREAMS!
IF ANYTHING THE SOCIETY WILL GET STRONGER,NOT WEAKER. I UNDERSTAND MANY OF YOU ON THIS FORUM ARE VERY BITTER BUT DONT LET THAT EFFECT YOUR COMMON SENSE. LOOK AT THE VERY STEADY GROWTH OF THIS MOVEMENT,IT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND IT WILL SURVIVE QUITE WELL WITHOUT LEADERS IN NY.
GOOD OR BAD IT IS GODS VISIBLE EARTHLY ORG. YES THEY HAVE MADE MISTAKES,BUT WHO ON EARTH HAS NOT? ARE THEY ALL IMPERFECT HUMANS? YES THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO CAN MEASURE UP TO THE STANDARDS MOST ON THIS FORUM EXPECT............JESUS CHRIST. I'M CONFIDENT HE APPROVES OF THE WITNESSES AS A WHOLE,HEY YOU NEVER KNOW HE MAY APPROVE OF MOST WITNESSES,AND REJECT THE GB NONE OF US KNOW.
FOOD 4 THOUGHT

Wake up dude. The internet is doing them in. The majority of those getting baptized were born into the org. As soon as they get a few in the front door, more leave out the back. They are fooling you guys. If you back 10 years or so and add up all those who were baptized you should have millions more JWs than you have now.

They are on their way out. All false religions eventually fizzle out, sometimes after a few hundred years, but it does happen. This one will be no different.

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Another concern

by lazuli in

jw
friends

i know i know, i'm so sorry to bug you guys about this but for obvious reasons i can't talk about it with anyone from the congregation and you guys are familiar with the watchtower.

in the watchtower, the woman is expected to be 'chaste.

' so i'm worried that if i decide to marry someone that is a jw if what i did before will be a problem.

tmo1965

It will be expected that you would be candid about your past with your future spouse, and if you're not a virgin they will also expect you to take an STD test. And no, I'm not kidding.

What? !!!

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When he said let us make Man in Our image?

by mydiscounts in

who was he really talking to, i know jws believe it was jesus but it has puzzled me my whole life because i believed jesus had to have had a mother.

if he is saying let us make mankind in our image he then created two different beings a man and a woman, where does the image of the woman come from, how, why and from whose image are woman from, her body shape, voice sounding softer, and so on?.

sure i understand the whole rib thing but it goes to reason that there had to be some other being besides jesus he was speaking to, other wise mans companion would have naturally been another man, because the image of jesus is a man and the image of god is also manly.

tmo1965

That scripture supports the Trinity doctrine. 1 God in 3 persons. God begats God. I look at as Jesus being a clone of God. God in the person of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all played a role in the creation.

"In the beginning God created teh heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." (Gen. 1:1-2)

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We don't want to divorce, but we do. What other options exist?

by BrianGreen in

jw
friends

ive been reading this forum for a long time, but this new situation has come up and now it looks like i need your help.

i thought i dodged a bullet.

my wife and i were both jws, and we both left it together.

tmo1965

Another thing, is the high control group history. It really is a good idea to get post exit counseling. We pack a LOT of wrong ideas and bad thinking patterns with us when we leave the groups.

I'd make a goal to be happy first, then if I still want to divorce I'd get divorce counseling first. If ya think a marriage is hard, a divorce is much harder. A successful divorce requires much more work and cooperation than a marriage does. I see people have MUCH more trouble with a bad divorce than I see having trouble with a bad marriage.

There's a big difference between a young couple with no children and no assets divorcing and a couple with children divorcing.

I say if there is abuse, neglect, or addiction, document that and go for full custody. If not, deal with the problem in a rational way that's in the best interest of the children.

Excellent advice. I highly recommend marriage counseling. I find that many people expect to have the first in love feeling throughout their marriage and that is just not realistic. Marriage has ups and downs. I have been married 10 years this April (1st husband). My husband was married previously and has 3 children with his 1st wife. He now has custody of the children and I'm glad he does, but the children have paid a terrible price for their parents divorce. All in all they are good kids, but I see some of the emotional scars too. Divorce is not something to take lightly and everything should be tried before deciding to go through with it.

Best wishes on this situation.

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Did Anyone Try to Warn You About the WTS?

by tmo1965 in

did anyone try to warn you about the wts before you saw the light?

how did you react to the info?

did you resent the person / people who told you?

tmo1965

Oh my gosh!!!!!!!!!!!! TMO!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's Purpluvr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome!!!

Hey !!! What's Up???

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A JW's reaction to new BLOOD letter.

by jeeprube in

here is an actual jw response, from another board, about the new blood letter.

notice the brainwashing.the service meeting was very informative and clearly helped spell out the duties of our dear elders in helping us during a trying time.

it also made things very clear to each one of us regarding our individual responsibility when it comes to making our own choices on the blood issue.

tmo1965

In a time when people use more written ways to communicate, The WT seems to still use word of mouth.

Well look where their writings have gotten them now. When they write it down and make it public there's a documented history of their flip flops.

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A JW's reaction to new BLOOD letter.

by jeeprube in

here is an actual jw response, from another board, about the new blood letter.

notice the brainwashing.the service meeting was very informative and clearly helped spell out the duties of our dear elders in helping us during a trying time.

it also made things very clear to each one of us regarding our individual responsibility when it comes to making our own choices on the blood issue.

tmo1965

So there was a 5 page letter from the GB? When was this read? Did anyone write down the important facts? I need to know because I told still in the dark JWs on another site that there may be new light on blood coming this week. They lied and told me there was no such info. I would love to make them eat crow.

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Mind Control Alert - Watchtower Article - simplifying your life -

by jgnat in

wt january 1, 2006,"how firm is your trust in god?

an anonymous young man with a family is described as quitting a job because it interfered with meeting attendance.

can you see yourself taking a similar step if you were in circumstances like his?

tmo1965

Simplify your life: ( Pedofiletower meaning) work 24/ for FREE peddling Pedofiletower liteature(their Bible). If you can "give" just 10 mag in one hour, you will make 240 mag in day, that way you srew up yourself and anybody else much, much FASTER. DO IT !!

Do the members have to pay for the mags they give out?

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Mind Control Alert - Watchtower Article - simplifying your life -

by jgnat in

wt january 1, 2006,"how firm is your trust in god?

an anonymous young man with a family is described as quitting a job because it interfered with meeting attendance.

can you see yourself taking a similar step if you were in circumstances like his?

tmo1965

Been there, done that. I was out of work and turning down job offers that would have interfered with meeting attendence™. I was firm in my conviction that "Jehovah would provide". I ended up losing my apartment. The JWs laughed loudly and publicly at my predicament. If it were not for my parents I would have ended up sleeping in underpasses.

And none of them felt the need to help out their brother / sister in need? Sad. They totally miss the whole point of Jesus' teachings.