Posts by Fatfreek

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Have a laugh at these cringe-worthy Watchtower interpretations. JW's must be so embarrassed.

by yadda yadda 2 in

utterly embarrassing.

how many jw's honestly believe these daft interpretations?

hard to believe these are actually held out as current truth lol.

Fatfreek

Great job, Yadda, on that vast number of dates and numbers.

Yes, Russell started it all -- for JWs, that is. However, he was only clinging to Miller's shirttails on the basis he was convinced that Miller was on the right track but simply off on some calculation by 30 years. I think the following chart is from the Millerite movement. Russell referred to him in Watch Tower articles many times considered him a "brother" and in one instance even called him "Father".

His final reference to Miller was in 1915, the year before Russell died. He referred then to the work that Miller did as a necessary "sifting among the professed people of God. Some became all the more interested in the Bible as the Word of God".

Millerite chart

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Nearly 100 years of Devil's "short period of time" (Rev 12:12) - Ridiculous!

by yadda yadda 2 in

i was reading this article on http://www.watchman.org/jw/1914hst1.htm and this paragraph struck me as particularly interesting:.

"apparently the society feels that the judgment period has stretched too far.

its been over 80 years since the judgment began in 1914. they are now saying the bible, "does not show that such judging would continue over an "extended period of many years" (watchtower, 15 october 1995, p. 22).

Fatfreek

Oops! They first had to wiggle out of 1799. The 1890 Watch Tower, referring the prophetic properties of the Great Pyramid, said as follows:

The solution of the riddle that is puzzling
men to-day--why our day has produced
so much more of invention and
discovery than the past--is found only in
the Bible. It announced the present period
of invention over two thousand years
ago. ( Dan. 12:4 .) It [Great Pyramid] pointed out, that far
in advance, that with the year A.D. 1799
"The Time of the End" would begin,
and that the present "Time of the End"
would be the "Day of God's Preparation"
( Nahum 2:3 ) for the incoming Millennium
of blessing.

Len

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Nearly 100 years of Devil's "short period of time" (Rev 12:12) - Ridiculous!

by yadda yadda 2 in

i was reading this article on http://www.watchman.org/jw/1914hst1.htm and this paragraph struck me as particularly interesting:.

"apparently the society feels that the judgment period has stretched too far.

its been over 80 years since the judgment began in 1914. they are now saying the bible, "does not show that such judging would continue over an "extended period of many years" (watchtower, 15 october 1995, p. 22).

Fatfreek

They first figured a way to wiggle out of 1874.

Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in
the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the
Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874; that the
harvest has been in progress during that time ; that most
of the saints have now been gathered. (WT 1924)

It therefore shouldn't surprise us about 1914.

What will they wiggle out of next?

Len

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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die

by Marni Mai in

just noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".

only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.

it's on page 16. enjoy.. .

Fatfreek

Hi Possible-San,

Thanks for providing that great group of links. I'm now getting 1917, 1918, 1919 Watchtowers. That should complete my library from 1879 thru 1949.

Len

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great photography~The Year in Pictures~

by purplesofa in

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34437381.

Fatfreek

Yes, truly amazing.

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Share Your Favorite Aphorisms

by Farkel in

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i'm a great fan of aphorisms.

zen has some of the classic ones.

the moral consequences of doing whatever you do is that you will be the sort of person who did that.. "it's best to ride the horse in the direction it's going.".

Fatfreek

Ideas are worth a dime a dozen. One worthy idea, a dozen dimes.

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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die

by Marni Mai in

just noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".

only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.

it's on page 16. enjoy.. .

Fatfreek

Great post, Marni Mai. Your eagle eye spotted something that the current WT editors are probably squirming in their seats about. Otherwise they would have never resurrected that clipping.

1918 advertisement, Millions Now Living Will ..."

I thought for a moment that they incorrectly placed that Hippodrome talk in the 1918 timline (the year [if there] does not display clearly). However, I used an online date calculator which shows that for the years 1917 thru 1926, March 31 fell on Sunday only once -- 1918.

That tells me that Rutherford waffled between the words "may" and "will" in public address titles before finally settling on the latter by the time the now-infamous booklet was printed in 1920.

Len

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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die

by Marni Mai in

just noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".

only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.

it's on page 16. enjoy.. .

Fatfreek

The freshly changed title was a hot topic and they decided to create a booklet with that same title. The September, 1920 Watchtower makes that announcement.

Len Miller

BOOKLETS ON "MILLIONS NOW LIVING" READY
Tile 128-page booklet, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die," is
now ready for distribution ami orders will be filled as rapidly as
possible. This booklet is in the nature of a companion piece to
"Talking With tile Dead ? ? ?" Harmonious with tile restitutionarv
character of the message the booklets are bound in a bluish gree;t
mottled cover stock, embellished with appropriate design. In
addition to the 112 pages originally announced, we have given
an addendum of hundreds of Scripture citations in substantiation
of the everlasting-human-life-for-man message now due. An endeavor
has been made to make this list complete¯
These booklets are procurable at 25c postpaid for single copies.
Wholesale prices for fifty or more copies on request.

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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die

by Marni Mai in

just noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".

only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.

it's on page 16. enjoy.. .

Fatfreek

There is a 3 year gap in my Watchtower sources -- 1917 thru 1919 I do not have.

However, I may have found the transition from "may" to "will" in the 1920 issue of Watchtower. In searching for the expression "millions now living" reveals the following (please forgive my copying errors. I guess that's a poor OCR [optical character recognition] happening):

Len Miller

Feb 1, 1920
It is
comp:lr:ltively easy for as to get n number of people together.
About 200 public meetings have heen hehl. The attendance
has ranged fronl 100 to 3,300. The Inost productive of tim
topics was "The World In.t,~ Ended--Millions Now Living
May Never Die". At present we are again using the old bl~,t
ever interesting "Wllere are the Dead?" tracts. We look
forward to a time of greater activity, and are rejoicing in
the prospect of sllarlng in the Lord’s new work.

June 15, 1920
Tacoma has a Stadium with a seating
-capacity of 30,000. with extraordinary acoustics, enabling
.every person, when tile Stadium is filled, to hear the speaker
distinctly. Tile Stadium will be used for tile public meeting
-on tile afternoon of Sunday. July 11. to be addressed by
THE STADIUM AT TACOMA WASHINGTON
Brother Rutherford. The friends of the various classes in
the Northwest will join in the advertising of this public
meeting Tile subject will be "Millions Now Living Will
Never Die". This subject is appropriate to the time, Is the
-message of the hoar. and is one which multitudes of people
desire lo know. This subject was used lit the New York
Hippodrome which electing from 7,0(hi to 10,000 people
were turned away.

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"Millions Now Living Will Never Die" seal

by truthseeker in

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i thought this deserved it's own thread since some say the society never said stated that "millions now living will never die.".

i inherited a book that was published in 1917 entitled "what pastor russell said his answer to hundreds of questions".

inside the book on the first page is a red seal with the words "millions now living will never die".

Fatfreek

So does the phrase "Millions Now Living Will (or May) Never Die" occur in a CTR work?

I just searched Watchtowers from 1879 thru 1916 (the CTR period) and found no instances of the phrase "millions now living".

However, that doesn't mean it didn't exist there. OCR (optical character recognition) scanning of older publications is not perfect and I've come up with false missed finds before.

Len