When I exited the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1992 EVERY Jehovah's Witness around me,was convinced in their heart of hearts that they would NOT see 2007 in "this old system"
Many had NO retirement plans for old age.
DannyHaszard
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WBTS 1914 IS JESUS SECOND COMING !!!
by DannyHaszard inmark this!in 2007 watchtower still say's 1914 jesus second coming who are the jehovahs witnesses?regular people and not part of a cult.
people who want others to know about god and the bible.
believers that these are the last days before armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with god.
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WBTS 1914 IS JESUS SECOND COMING !!!
by DannyHaszard inmark this!in 2007 watchtower still say's 1914 jesus second coming who are the jehovahs witnesses?regular people and not part of a cult.
people who want others to know about god and the bible.
believers that these are the last days before armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with god.
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WHO SAY'S 1914 JESUS ? nearly 1.4 million pages who sez 1914 Jesus besides the Watchtower it IS their CORE DOGMA
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WBTS 1914 IS JESUS SECOND COMING !!!
by DannyHaszard inmark this!in 2007 watchtower still say's 1914 jesus second coming who are the jehovahs witnesses?regular people and not part of a cult.
people who want others to know about god and the bible.
believers that these are the last days before armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with god.
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1914 (from Adventist William Miller) is to a JW what Mary and/or the Trinity is to Catholics or what Joseph Smith and the golden plates are to Mormons.
Poet and writer Mark Twain sez: "if a million people believe in a stupid thing for a hundred years,it's still a stupid thing". -
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WBTS 1914 IS JESUS SECOND COMING !!!
by DannyHaszard inmark this!in 2007 watchtower still say's 1914 jesus second coming who are the jehovahs witnesses?regular people and not part of a cult.
people who want others to know about god and the bible.
believers that these are the last days before armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with god.
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This IS a BIG DEAL the Watchtower past 3 years or so looked like it might be backing off the absurdity of Jesus second coming in 1914.As a matter of fact I have been getting reviled by JW apologist for saying that 1914 is their CORE doctrine
Jesus had his 'return to power' aka second coming in 1914 why is everything still all 'messed up'?
I am thinking of Hans Christian Anderson's childrens classic,"The Emperor's new (invisible) clothes?
The REAL DEAL
Jehovah's Witnesses Millerite/Adventist sect spin-off
American war of 1812 army captain William Miller is ground zero for Jehovah's Witnesses.
There is nothing that made me gasp in horror of all WT/JW falsehoods more then this finding that it all came from the Millerite movement.
Yes,the "great disappointment"of Oct 22 1844 has never died out... it lives on in the Seventh day Adventist (who admit it) and the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny it.
The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower,yes the reason the Watchtower came into existence was to declare Jesus second coming in 1914.When the prophecy (derived from William Miller of 1842) failed they said that he came "invisibly".
Ergo,no 1914 then there can be no 1918 inspection and sealing of the 'anointed' so the entire Watchtower Bible and Tract Society doctrinal superstructure comes crashing down like a house of cards
WILLIAM MILLER http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/132920/1.ashx THE BEGINNING of it ALL
(If you go to this link you will see where the 1914 'Millerite math' came from)
Must see video clip: www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm please go to this link and scroll down for the History Channel clip
The Millerites: Armageddon (History Channel) 4 min clip
This is the highly credible HISTORY CHANNEL ( Roger Mudd ) not the "apostates" exposing Jehovah's Witnesses as a spin-off of the William Miller movement of 1844
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WBTS 1914 IS JESUS SECOND COMING !!!
by DannyHaszard inmark this!in 2007 watchtower still say's 1914 jesus second coming who are the jehovahs witnesses?regular people and not part of a cult.
people who want others to know about god and the bible.
believers that these are the last days before armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with god.
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Mark this!In 2007 Watchtower still say's 1914 Jesus second coming
Who are the Jehovah’s Witnesses?
•Regular people and not part of a cult. •People who want others to know about God and the Bible. •Believers that these are the last days before Armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with God. •People who don ...- Reading Eagle
Key dates for Jehovah’s Witnesses
1870s: Charles Taze Russell starts the modern-day organization from a Bible study group in Allegheny, which is now a part of Pittsburgh. Members were known as “Bible Students.”
1881: Russell forms the Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society, which begins to publish religious material for Bible students.
1893: First publicly advertised meeting in Chicago.
1914: The Second Coming of Jesus Christ, who now rules in heaven.
1935: Name of group changed to “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” based on Isaiah 43:10. Also changed the name to distinguish the religion from Christian denominations.
1930s-40s: Jehovah’s Witnesses take a series of cases to U.S. Supreme Court. The group wins decisions allowing members to preach without a license, not say the Pledge of Allegiance and other rights.
Source: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of PennsylvaniaSource: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania •Contact reporter Sarah Tompkins at 610-371-5031 or [email protected]
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This is the man who made it all happen!
by Terry inwilliam miller.. do you know how important this man has been to your life?
do you know your life would have been entirely different (without a doubt) had he not lived?.
read on!.
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Mark this! In 2007 Watchtower say's 1914 is Jesus second coming
Who are the Jehovah’s Witnesses?
•Regular people and not part of a cult. •People who want others to know about God and the Bible. •Believers that these are the last days before Armageddon and that it is urgent for people to develop a relationship with God. •People who don ...- Reading Eagle
Key dates for Jehovah’s Witnesses
1870s: Charles Taze Russell starts the modern-day organization from a Bible study group in Allegheny, which is now a part of Pittsburgh. Members were known as “Bible Students.”
1881: Russell forms the Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society, which begins to publish religious material for Bible students.
1893: First publicly advertised meeting in Chicago.
1914: The Second Coming of Jesus Christ, who now rules in heaven.
1935: Name of group changed to “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” based on Isaiah 43:10. Also changed the name to distinguish the religion from Christian denominations.
1930s-40s: Jehovah’s Witnesses take a series of cases to U.S. Supreme Court. The group wins decisions allowing members to preach without a license, not say the Pledge of Allegiance and other rights.
Source: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of PennsylvaniaSource: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania •Contact reporter Sarah Tompkins at 610-371-5031 or [email protected]
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BIG About.com on Dfing and "Fading"
by DannyHaszard inhttp:www.atheism.about.com/od/jehovahswitnesses/a/witnessfade.htm here we can comment at the article and file this for evidence value as about.com is considered expert witnesses http://atheism.about.com/b/a/069061.htm comment belowfrom jehovah's witness to atheist: how & why jehovah's witnesses fade from congregations7 hrs ago | about.com
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One thing I thought I should mention is that it may not be a good idea to copy the articles directly into the forum. A link to the web page, maybe with a paragraph cut from the article to show people what it's about, would really be better. I started to send Austin the link to see what people thought about the article here (to encourage him to let me keep doing it) but I didn't know what he would say about it. I'm guessing he wouldn't like that. The idea is to attract as much web traffic as he can, and that actually discourages hits somewhat.
Basically, he will be judging how well the articles were received by how many hits the page gets. About.com itself has some concerns about guest writers--especially in the atheist/agnosticism area which tends to drum up controversy--so the suits are also a factor. It would encourage them both to let me keep writing if people went to the site itself. This is kind of on a trial basis right now.
Just wanted to make people aware of that.
Thanks again for the comments.
IsaacJ
Issac thanks as far as I know embeding the link page done above (tanking) DOES hot link and counts as hit someone more expert correct me if i'm wrong
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BIG About.com on Dfing and "Fading"
by DannyHaszard inhttp:www.atheism.about.com/od/jehovahswitnesses/a/witnessfade.htm here we can comment at the article and file this for evidence value as about.com is considered expert witnesses http://atheism.about.com/b/a/069061.htm comment belowfrom jehovah's witness to atheist: how & why jehovah's witnesses fade from congregations7 hrs ago | about.com
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Up at Topix post a comment here too http://www.topix.net/forum/who/jehovahs-witnesses/T3R4GMPJUJPS2DT3I
From Jehovah's Witness to Atheist: How & Why Jehovah's Witnesses Fade from Congregations
13 hrs ago | About.com
... continue speaking with them and their business relationships will be unaffected. Not so when one of Jehovah's Witnesses becomes an atheist. For Jehovah's Witnesses , the potential problems associated with being disfellowshipped and shunned lead to ... 1 comment
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BIG About.com on Dfing and "Fading"
by DannyHaszard inhttp:www.atheism.about.com/od/jehovahswitnesses/a/witnessfade.htm here we can comment at the article and file this for evidence value as about.com is considered expert witnesses http://atheism.about.com/b/a/069061.htm comment belowfrom jehovah's witness to atheist: how & why jehovah's witnesses fade from congregations7 hrs ago | about.com
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From Jehovah's Witness to Atheist: How & Why Witnesses Fade from ...
Most religious believers are free to leave their denomination at any time they choose without repercussions. They may face some pressure from associates if ...
atheism.about.com/od/jehovahswitnesses/a/WitnessFade.htm - 28k -The link for posting and emailing already way up the the web index
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BIG About.com on Dfing and "Fading"
by DannyHaszard inhttp:www.atheism.about.com/od/jehovahswitnesses/a/witnessfade.htm here we can comment at the article and file this for evidence value as about.com is considered expert witnesses http://atheism.about.com/b/a/069061.htm comment belowfrom jehovah's witness to atheist: how & why jehovah's witnesses fade from congregations7 hrs ago | about.com
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Advice For Faders
1. Seek advice from those who've done it.
It can be risky trying to contact other former members, but finding support groups for ex-Witnesses on the internet is an easy, low risk solution. You can search for organized groups of ex-Witnesses in your area on the internet or search Google for keywords "apostafest" or "meetup," along with your state. Remember that some Elders are suspicious of faders. You may end up bumping into an Elder if you attend such meetings, so be careful. They could be taking names.2. Have a plan.
As paranoid as it sounds, scheduling the pace of your fade might keep you from slipping away too quickly and getting noticed. Plan each step of your fade in advance.3. Have excuses ready and cover your tracks.
What will you say if someone asks about your decreasing activity? Some overzealous Witnesses can be very persistent, and some may even check your stories. What if they find out that you asked your boss to let you work on Sunday mornings so you'd have an excuse to miss the meeting? What if you keep turning in 10 hours of field service time each month, yet no one ever sees you out in service? Be ready for questions like these.Some faders have created a list of topics they can switch to when they encounter persistent Witnesses. They memorize a story and launch into it whenever the need arises. They memorize it so they won't stutter or pause, which makes it harder for the Witness to interrupt. Some ex-Witnesses use this one even after they've left the Society to avoid arguments with family members who are desperate to reactivate them spiritually.
4. Skim the Watchtower's literature for upcoming discussions about apostates or shepherding calls.
Remember that the literature is available in advance. You might find out that there's going to be a push for Elders to check up on those who are "weak in The Truth" in the coming months. This would obviously be a bad time to go inactive. If you are fading, be ready for a visit or extra pressures from friends and family around that time.5. Make yourself hard to reach.
The fewer chances the Elders have to ask questions, the better. Wait a month or two, then replace that answering machine with Caller-ID. Failure to return their messages will look suspicious after a while, so don't let them leave any on your machine. When they visit your home, ask them to call in advance next time. If they ignore your request, ask them to come back later. They'll take advantage if you don't enforce this policy — remember that Elders are not above the rules of courtesy. They may give up eventually, but be careful and keep any appointments to meet with them if you already agreed to it. So long as you don't reveal that you're an atheist or have doubts in the Society, there isn't much they can do.6. Move to another congregation.
Moving to another congregation has several advantages. If you have yourself reassigned to a more distant congregation, the Elders there will have more difficulty keeping tabs on you. Shepherding calls probably won't happen, though they may try to call you on the phone. Randomly attending both congregations could make your fade a little easier because it is harder for either congregation to know what's going on in your life.Bear in mind that you should have a good excuse ready when you request a transfer. Believe it or not, they can deny your request if you don't have a good reason. You could tell them that you're having trouble attending the meetings locally and a transfer would help. Moving to a new home is obviously the best way to do this, but it isn't very practical for most. Instead, you might start by simply going to that other Kingdom Hall, then repeat your request to one of their Elders after a few months. If you're lucky, the Elders at your new congregation will help expedite the transfer.
7. Be wary of persistent Witnesses.
Sadly, some may try to trick you into confessing your disbelief. Some Witnesses have even gone to faders and expressed false doubts about the Society, thus inviting the fader to do the same. Then, within weeks or days, the fader gets a call from their Elders. Relatives have even pulled this one on faders, so be careful.8. Make new friends.
You'll need new friends for emotional support once you've left. Why go it alone?
