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  Revealed: the pill that prevents cancer

  by Elsewhere in

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  http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article335359.ecerevealed: the pill that prevents cancer by jeremy laurance, health editor published: 28 december 2005 .

  a daily dose of vitamin d could cut the risk of cancers of the breast, colon and ovary by up to a half, a 40-year review of research has found.

  the evidence for the protective effect of the "sunshine vitamin" is so overwhelming that urgent action must be taken by public health authorities to boost blood levels, say cancer specialists.

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  fahrvegnugen

  Just drink some milk. Or go stand in the sun for a little bit.
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  My Story

  by DaveNwisconsin in

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  i wanted to share with people my story about the witnesses.

  when i was five my mother had been searching for a new religion.

  she was brought up catholic and didn't understand the church.

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  fahrvegnugen

  --appreciated your story Dave--welcome to the forum.
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  Does it shock you that there are so few people on this board?

  by free2beme in

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  i read once that the witnesses loss between 30,000-50,000 members in the united states alone each year.

  i know the numbers for worldwide exits, must be even larger and times that by all the decades of people leaving and you come to a fairly nice size number.

  i realize some of these decreases are deaths, losing track of correct totals or a percentage returning right back into the congregation.

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  fahrvegnugen

  I think as sites like this one continue to mature and develop, word will get around and you may see more participation from ex-JWs or those on the fringes who haven't yet left.

  A number of years ago when I was first looking around the web for sites about JWs, alot of the ones I came across were of the, "I USED TO BE A WATCHTOWER SLAVE BUT NOW I"M A BORN-AGAIN SLAIN-IN-THE-SPIRIT TALKIN'-IN-TONGUES HOLY-ROLLIN' CHRISTIAN---HALLELUJAH---PRAISE JEEEEZZUUUUS!!!" variety. No offense intended to those here who may be Christians, but most ex-JWs have no interest in jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, if you know what I mean.

  Also, sites run by church groups who seem obsessed with demonizing every aspect of JWs are a huge turn off for me. My beef is with the teachings and the borganization--not the average JW who is just trying to live his life the way he believes God wants him to. Anyway, this site is a pretty good one and I hope it will continue to develop as a resource for those who have left and those who are thinking of leaving.
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  Curious...

  by Tez in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who here has become involved with another religion since leaving the borg, and what was it that drew you to it??

  any 'born agains'?.

  (ok mum, you may have suspected i would post this!

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  Many people here don't consider jws to be christian for some of the following reasons...

  I would argue that these "many people" are simply other Christians who think that they know what the "true" Christianity is. Clearly JWs are a form of Christianity--only not mainstream. As far as joining another religion--not me. The same realizations which led to my exodus from the KH have opened my eyes to the human origins of all religions.
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  Any PUBLICATION say that heavens doors were closed in 1935 ???

  by run dont walk in

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  2. bible

  this seems to be jw belief, and only because rutherford said so in a talk, are there any publications that actually say that heavens doors were closed in 1935 ???

  and any kind of references ???.

  with the annoited class (pre 1935) getting smaller and smaller, i think in about 50 years the watchtower will have 144,000 replacements, how will they rectify this goof ???.

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  Yes, I knew a couple of sisters who felt they had "received the heavenly calling." They were not the crazy types and as far as I know are still very active. Also one of my distant relations who I've met only once has been a partaker for years. Then you would also read about brothers being added to the GB who had obviously been baptized long after 1935.

  The thought would always go through my mind: Gee, for every one of these newly "anointed ones," one of the original chosen ones somewhere in the world had to have been so unfaithful as to have been utterly rejected by God. Where the hell are these elderly people who were baptized before 1935, and after all those years of faithful service turned so rotten as to warrant being replaced? What did they do--up and leave the old folks home to smoke crack and hire prostitutes?

  I think the Society themselves doesn't really know what to think about the number of partakers staying eternally at 8500. I'm sure they thought this number would dwindle on it's own, but human nature is such that in a religious group you're always going to have a certain percentage who think they have been chosen by god for some sort of higher calling--it's human nature.
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  Over 160,000 Simply Left The "Truth" Last Year

  by minimus in

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  that was the comment that a former elder made at the local meeting today in his comment.

  evidently, he and his wife heard a bethel speaker's comment during his talk say that (i believe the figure was) 167,000 people did not get disfellowshipped but simply left.

  the ex-elder made it a point to say that the elders should be watching to help out the flock before they up and leave.

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  Gary--I think you may be correct on this. The brother who gave the talk may have made the same assumption that many here made, without considering that a lot of those baptized were already being counted as publishers.
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  Today at the KH, Hopefully opens my wifes' eyes

  by DaCheech in

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  the kids were sleeping, and one brother came up to me "is there a microphone on thats picking up some loud noise"?..

  i said "all mikes are off except for the stage".

  he said "there's gotta be something because the noise is annoying!".

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  fahrvegnugen

  
  Holy Cow!!! I opened this thread just now and was nearly drowned in a rampaging flood of estrogen!

  Whether you believe in keeping things quiet or letting the babies snore away at full volume--the point is that to single out issues like this as "evidence" that JWs are unloving or hate kids is just plain silly. Any church, organization or social gathering is going to have some methods for keeping order that are bound to piss off a certain percentage of the attendees. If you can manage to piss off less than 50% of them--I call it a success!

  That being said, I can think of at least one congregation that was so uptight and anal about these sorts of things that it was no fun being there.

  
  
  Disclosure: I have no kids. (I'm also half-Dalek).
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  Was Jesus the Christ even at birth? - not according to the Watchtower

  by hooberus in

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  2. beliefs

  the watchtower claims that jesus was not the christ at his birth but instead that he did not become the christ until the time of his baptism:.

  "not at birth, but at thirty years of age jesus became christ .

  " things in which it is impossible for god to lie p. 211. what does the bible say: .

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  fahrvegnugen

  The scriptures tell us who He is and was at birth.

  
  

  
  Have any of you ever heard of the Monophysite Controversy? Christians fought and killed each other for centuries because they couldn't agree on the details of what exactly Jesus' "nature" was at birth.
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  scholarship/use of definite article

  by truth finder in

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  by no means is my scholarship affected by misspellings, and my research may appear at first sight to not mean much.

  but with further investigation, one should find the point i have made.

  it is a very common thing among proffesors to have misspellings, especially in lecture outlines.

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  fahrvegnugen

  Merry Christmas truth finder—

  The texts you cite can be interpreted in the manner you have, but they can just as easily be interpreted differently. Let me address the larger issue here.

  The NT (like the rest of the Bible) is a collection of writings from different authors. Each of these authors had their own understanding of religious "truth," and there own purposes for writing what they did. The more you dig into the world of textual criticism, the more obvious it is that these works did not come straight from god--they were penned, altered, added-to, subtracted-from, mistranslated, etc. As a result, they contain many beliefs, statements of doctrine, historical accounts, and so on that are contradictory.

  Today we have two camps of scholars who comb through these texts looking to decipher what can be learned from them. The first camp is *the believers* who accept these texts as the inspired word of God, and on this assumption they compare various verses to decipher what the "true teachings" of the faith are. The second camp is *the secular scholars* who take the texts individually at face value. Many of these will say that there is confusion or contradiction between statements of belief made by different authors including over the nature of Christ and the relationship between the Father and the Son.

  There are verses which seem to put the Son on an equal footing with the Father (God, Lord, etc) and there are other verses which seem to clearly make him subordinate to the Father. This ambiguity is of course what led to the Arian contrversy and even entire wars and much bloodshed in order to determine what the *correct* understanding was. Today *the believers* assuming the Bible to be the harmonious word of God, comb over the various texts and try to construct a belief system that can account for each text including the seemingly contradictory ones. Those who believe that Jesus and Almighty God are one and the same will interpret the texts which you've cited--the same way you have interpreted them. Those on the other hand, such as JWs who believe the Son is subordinate to the Father will interpret them in accordance with their overall understanding. Both groups start with the preconceived notion that there is *one true interpretation* which is there to found if you will only dig it out.

  *The secular scholars* on the other hand do not make this assumption and are more likely to tell you that the NT books contain a lot of confusion and ambiguity on this subject. In this I believe they are correct. The fact that many sincere religious scholars/theologians who spend years studying the biblical source texts eventually come to this same conclusion is good evidence in support of it.
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  Over 160,000 Simply Left The "Truth" Last Year

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that was the comment that a former elder made at the local meeting today in his comment.

  evidently, he and his wife heard a bethel speaker's comment during his talk say that (i believe the figure was) 167,000 people did not get disfellowshipped but simply left.

  the ex-elder made it a point to say that the elders should be watching to help out the flock before they up and leave.

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  fahrvegnugen

  well if they would show some love and spend a bit more time shepherding and preventing them leaving the back door rather than spending all the time on the ministry, it maybe just maybe, would help

  To tell the truth, I hope they don't. The more out of touch Brooklyn and the travelling overseers become, the quicker people will become disillusioned and head for the exits.