Joe,
Great Idea. Seeds are planted. Good luck,
Cathy
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My Secret Email Campaign -or- "Dozens Now Living will Now Know"
by joe_from_kokomo inwell, after our baptismal nullification letter, most of the witnesses snub us when we bump into them.
saw a snooty sister from my own book study, and she pretended i was the invisible man.. so, i decided to do a "maverick" and have launched a top secret email campaign to help raise the news iq of my former witness friends and family.. i have created a dummy email account at a major portal and i am bccing all my old witness friends and relatives (mostly relatives) hyperlinks to the juicy news articles on jws and the un, jws and child abuse, etc.
i put a simple subject line and a simple one line "read this article" followed by a hyperlink to the newspaper article.. it has been very effective.
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Watchtower Society owns Airplane
by Amazing inthe watchtower society owns an airplane ... and it had an incident which was filed with teh faa / ntsb.. .
on june 12, 1995, at 1530 alaska daylight time, a wheel equipped cessna 402b airplane, n710ws, registered to and operated by the watchtower bible organization and tract society, collapsed its nose gear while taxiing back after landing.
the business flight, operating under 14 cfr part 91, departed good news, alaska, and the destination was tuntutuliak, alaska.
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departed Good News, Alaska, and the destination was Tuntutuliak, Alaska.
So there actually is a place called Good News, Alasaka?
Why don't they move all Jws up to Good News? This might give God a chance to actually have them under one roof if the end comes.
Cathy
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VOMIT Alert----Unconditional Love per a JW DB-----long (65 posts)
by blondie inposted by hope on 12-18-2002 01:43 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:25 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:48 pm: .
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Berylblue,
The thing about guilt is you can't change the things you feel guilty about because it is done and over with. The only thing we can do is go from here and now and make our decisions according to what is best for us.
I have apologized and made amends to those that I hurt. The most I can do is apologize. I think sometimes that is all we can do. After my son was molested I had asked the molestor to just apologize to my son so he realizes that this behavoir was not right. That she was wrong for doing this to him. She refused and in refusing to apologize for her behavoir was stating that everything she did was just fine.
Don't dwell in the past, look to the moment and enjoy each day. We are all imperfect and we all make mistakes, it is being able to pick ourselves back up and move from the mistakes and not let them affect our lives. Just another learning experience.
Cathy
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WT Publication Index '96-'99 and WT LIBRARY 1999 Disc .. Will Mail free
by badolputtytat ini have the four publication index books dated 96-99. and the entire watchtower library disc 1999 original not a copy) with the complete instruction book.
the cd includes the entire new world translation, and a dozen or so books dated back to 1963. also the awakes and dozens of tracts and booklets.
pretty hefty stuff.
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Hi Badolputtytat,
I have nothing from the 90s. I have books going back to the fifties but nothing current as I refused the books mom would give me..I know such a fool. Would love the disc.
Cathy
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If God And His Thoughts Are Perfect - How Did Humans & Satan Become Evil?
by Latin assassin from Manhattan inthis question may not make too much sense.
if a man creates a computer, using the best parts and software design with the intent of analyzing data accurately and reliably, would he also design it with the ability or freedom to 'crash' or spread viruses to other computers if it chose to?
if a man trains a dog with the intent of being a family pet, would he also give it the knowledge to kill humans or other animals?
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Why was the command given in the first place? Why? They were perfect. When God said: You must not eat of the tree of Knowledge, why in blue blazes did he even create this tree? What was it's purpose? Yes they throw around free will and choice and explain away sin. Why didn't God stand up to Satan? Why does God feel inferior to Satan as to always seem to have to give him an accounting. Here is Eve, see if you can seduce her to take the fruit, here is job, see if he will still honor me if you take everything away. What the hell, I think God needs to grow up and stand on his own two feet.
God is the one that created the tree of knowledge, he created desire by saying: Of this tree you must not eat. For in the day you eat of it you will surely die.
The situation with Satan was not the humans doing, it was God's. Why did God even bother if he was going to have a war with Satan and use Adam and Eve as pawns in a chess Game. Sing praises to me for I am Jehovah and I am almighty.
Now had Eve ate off the tree of life before she ate from the tree of knowledge we might have had a chance to beat God at his own game.
Cathy
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VOMIT Alert----Unconditional Love per a JW DB-----long (65 posts)
by blondie inposted by hope on 12-18-2002 01:43 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:25 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:48 pm: .
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Blondie,
Your experiences from childhood are horrendous also. The fact your mom did nothing as my mom did nothing is just pitiful. Is this really love? If so let me off at the next corner because I know there is a boat waiting to take me to the closest leprosy colony.
Cathy
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VOMIT Alert----Unconditional Love per a JW DB-----long (65 posts)
by blondie inposted by hope on 12-18-2002 01:43 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:25 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:48 pm: .
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Blondie,
It is obviously the time to deal with this whole thing for myself. You see earlier this month I sent a email message to mom as we don't speak on the phone. So it had nothing to do with this post except the fact the old hurt comes up and it is time to deal and put it together.
The bantering back and forth about unconditional love and how it could be a product of Satan just shows me really how lame the jws are in their thinking. If they read the scriptures in Matt 22:37-38 they begin to see that Jesus stated love. Their definitions and interpretations are bothersome.
I emailed mom about things that I saw in her life that might have given way for religion to take over. It was the first time she recogized my words as having any merit. Albeit I was not honest with her as I took all the knowledge of her astrology chart and fit it together. I guess that is what hurts, I can see past all the crap and I can love her in spite of it. I can also see were I played a part in hurting her, this added more pain to her life and I never meant to make her life any harder.
Had I not studied something so condemning as astrology I would never have known my real mother. I would just have viewed her as a vindictive bitch.
What I did learn this morning is that I have made a difference in my life and that of my children. I didn't turn my back and stay in the religion. I gave them a little something more to build on than I was given. Even if our soul and spirit are crushed we can rise from the flames and we can make a difference by not doing the things that were done to us.
So Blondie this post was extremely hard for me but the results for me of your love and time have helped beyond mere words. Thank you.
Cathy
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Why Aren't 2 and a Half Million JW's Not Sleeping Well at Night???
by minimus inthis is an interesting advertisment that is in a regional state newpaper.
"why are an estimated 2 1/2 million jehovah's witnesses not sleeping well at night?".
come for enlightening information friday august 15th, 2oo3 at 7:oo p.m .
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Interesting and just a drive away!
They don't sleep at night because they are suppose to keep watch. 1Thessalonains 5:2
Cathy
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VOMIT Alert----Unconditional Love per a JW DB-----long (65 posts)
by blondie inposted by hope on 12-18-2002 01:43 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:25 pm: .
posted by hope on 12-18-2002 04:48 pm: .
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Hi Lisa,
This just seems like the month I have to deal with all the issues about family and who I actually left behind.
The post of conversation was eye awakening for me. Maybe it was time for me to deal with the whole issue.
The mother thinks that the ultimate sacrifice for Jehovah was ignoring her own flesh and blood. Look at me Jehovah, I gave her up, never to hug or kiss her again. Look what I did for you, in the words printed in your divine books....look at me, I gave it up for you! I deserve safe passage into the new system because I turned my back on my daughter. The one that loved you beyond words, the one that proclaimed to all she had faith. I did what you wanted Jehovah.
I then went offline took a drive and came back. During the drive I thought about this whole situation. The mother wants Jehovah to find favor in her, the daughter wants to be free of indoctrination and to live life as it was meant to be lived. Not in a hour glass full of sand waiting for the end to come.
How does this daughter of hers feels? Her mom was her everything all her life until she decided to change course. I look at my own daughter, so fragile, so precious, so loving, so willing to give of herself for others and she looks up to me to be there when she graduates, when she goes to college, when she gets married, just to hold her hand as she walks through life. To tell her I don't agree with your lifestyle and I can never talk to you again would literally kill her soul and spirit.
Then I thought about the mother, my mom loves me and i understand the whole situation and I know I hurt her and she does not reach out of her shell to others, even after dad died. I have hurt others I left behind but I can't go back and the love is conditional on going back. Such an ambivalence of pleasing Jehovah and loving a child.
If this is love then why does it hurt so much? It feels like the North and South are fighting again but just in the realm of religion.
Cathy
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My wifes and I meeting with two elders. Their true colors shine through
by Winston Smith :>D ini thought id give you an update re whats going on.
my qing the wts of recent has been very hard on my wife.
if i could, i would change my timing of doing so, but its just the way it has happened.
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Winston,
I can't thank you enough for sharing your story! The emotional stability of a person we truly love so deeply is all that matters at crunch time. You saw through it all and you were so loving and accomadating to appease your wife during this time.
My sister has been married to her husband for oh gosh 26 this sept. I know he loves her so much but she is suicidal according to my niece. I can only pray for her because I live so far away and don't want to upset the little balance in her life that might be there. He was an elder for 25yrs and through it all he is a kind person and this man put up with my mother through so much crap.
I hope that when push comes to shove he can start to realize what is needed. I love my sister but we don't talk.
I love my family so much but it is better I stay away.
I am so happy that you are at least showing the love your wife needs. I don't know how to cut and paste here as it never works for me but the statement about taking care of her at the kingdom hall might be needed.
Cathy