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  Sexual Abuse Memories are implanted by Satan, so Forget & Endure Them

  by Gerard in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this article is ourageous!

  and it is on the first page of the wt's web site!

  comfort for those with a "stricken spirit"

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  sir82

  I have no doubt whatsoever that some persons have repressed memories that surface years, or even decades later.

  I am absolutely convinced that many JWs have abused children and elders have done nothing about it.

  I am appalled at the Society's lack of positive action in thousands of cases of child abuse.

  But, I still have an honest question:

  Ignoring the specious "Devil implanted the memories" argument...

  Suppose you have this scenario:

  A 29 year-old woman suddenly remembers abuse at the hands of her father 25 years ago. No one witneseed it, none of her siblings report any abuse, father denies it, of course there is no forensic evidence after 25 years.

  Accuser is in therapy.

  It is one person's word against another's. One of the 2 is either lying or has a faulty memory--could be either one. There is no evidence other than one person's memory of events that occurred when she was 4 years old.

  What could/should elders do in such a situation?
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  Sexual Abuse Memories are implanted by Satan, so Forget & Endure Them

  by Gerard in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this article is ourageous!

  and it is on the first page of the wt's web site!

  comfort for those with a "stricken spirit"

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  sir82

  Ignoring the specious "Devil implanted the memories" argument...

  Suppose you have this scenario:

  A 29 year-old woman suddenly remembers abuse at the hands of her father 25 years ago. No one witneseed it, none of her siblings report any abuse, father denies it, of course there is no forensic evidence after 25 years.

  Accuser is in therapy.

  It is one person's word against another's. One of the 2 is either lying or has a faulty memory--could be either one. There is no evidence other than one person's memory of events that occurred when she was 4 years old.

  What could/should elders do in such a situation?
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  Nov KM: Hospital Visits and Disaster Relief Donations

  by doinmypart in

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  2. friends

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  a couple of points from the u.s. branch november 2005 km.. in the u.s. there is a federal law (hipaa) protecting a patient's privacy.

  the km announces what a publisher must do when admitted to a hospital, if he/she wants to receive elders visits.. a question box discussing donations made to the worldwide work rather than specific disaster relief.. see the attachments.. .

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  sir82

  In the theocratic thesarus:

  "Provide spirtiual encouragement" = "Make sure there is no blood bag hanging next to your bed"
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  Puns- Know any?

  by Sparkplug in

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  2. friends

  mahatma gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which.

  produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet.

  he also ate very little,.

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  sir82

  The zoo hired a new night watchman. One night, as he was making his rounds, he heard a whisper, "Yo! night watchman! Over here!"

  He looked around, but saw no one.

  "Over here--in the dolphin pool!" The watchman walks over, and is surprised to find a talking porpoise. In fact, all the porpoises are there waiting for him.

  "Listen, buddy," their spokes-porpoise says. "you've got to help us out. The last night watchman was really good--but he's gone now, so its up to you. As you can see, we're not your normal every-day porpoises."

  "I should say not" replies the watchman. "For one thing, you can talk."

  "Yeah, yeah, but that's not all. Besides that, each of us are over 1000 years old. In fact, we can live forever--so long as we eat the proper diet. We need to eat seagulls--lots and lot of seagulls--don't ask me to explain, it just works. But you can see we're stuck in this pool, and dead seagulls don't just drop in every day. That's where you come in. Just like the last watchman, we need you go down down to the beach and clobber as many seagulls as you can , then bring them back to us."

  The night watchman thinks it over, and figures it's a good idea to try to help out the ancient talking porpoises. So he decides to go down to the beach to do as they asked.

  But he's supposed to be guarding the zoo-if he's gone, what will prevent break-ins?

  He finally comes up with an idea--on his way out, he'll let the lions out of their cages. Any intruder would be eaten by the lions, so the zoo would be safe. So that's what he does.

  He next heads to the beach, where he spends hours clobbering seagulls and stuffing them into a bag.

  When he returns, he realizes he hasn't though his plan thru very carefully--how will he get back into the zoo? The lions are still out there.

  So he figures he'll just wait until the lions fall asleep.

  Sure enough, after about an hour, the lions stretch out and are soon snoring.

  So, he very carefully sneaks back thru the zoo, stepping over teh lions on his way over to the dolphin pool and is just about to call out, when 3 bright searchlights suddenly flash up. A voice from a megaphone shouts "Freeze! You're under arrest!"

  An armed policeman come up and leads him away. What was the charge?

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  Transporting gulls across staid lions for immortal porpoises.
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  WT Study on Education - How did it go?

  by Inquisitor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i didn't attend the meeting today and i haven't spoken to any fellow witnesses about the study yet.

  anyone care to share how their meeting went?

  any interesting comments made for or against the wts policy on higher education?

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  In our congo...

  There were the predictable spittle-spewing answers about how the educational system is controlled by....SATAN! etc.

  A few oddities...

  One young MS (with no college education) made the point "This article is not telling parents not to send their children to college..." Of course it most certainly was, but it seemed to reflect his desire not to be seen as part of a stupid, radical, fundamentalist anti-education cult.

  My (still a pioneer, still very loyal) wife was nearly as upset as I was at the preposterous arguments used in the article. She made a most telling remark on the way home: "I kind of hate to say it, but a lot of Witnesses are kind of brain-washed". I of course agreed, responding that if the article had for some odd reason come out in favor of education, the same persons would have made equally strong comments supporting the WT's position.

  She also noted that this article was much different than other "counsel" in the past. "Other articles tend to allow a little leeway for conscience, this one was 100% against the idea of education". She was also rather upset at one comment bringing in James 4:4, which a particularly neanderthal MS used to strongly imply that parrents who send their children to college are "spiritual adultresses".

  Our PO, raised in the truth and college-educated (as I am), made a comment in one of the introductory paragraphs and then disappeared into the lobby, where he spent most of the rest of the study. At one point I couldn't stand the vacuousness of the comments and went out & saw him there. I was considering asking him if he was having as hard a time as I was swallowing this dreck, but lost my nerve.

  A few comments among some afterward expressed surprise at the viciousness of the article, and also seemed to reflect a desire to seem balanced, and not of the opinion that "all universtities are tools of the devil".
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  Disturbing Information Passed on in Annual Elders Meeting?

  by Dune in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as you all may know, the elders around america have had (or will have) their annual meetings.

  you know, the ones where they are trained and brought up to date about the whole scheme of things.. anyway, an elder who i happen to be close to was telling me yesterday that some troubling/disturbing things has been going down in congregations worldwide.

  he also mentioned that it will be mentioned in watchtowers and km's in the next few months.. anyone know what he may be talking about?

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  hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! I can't stop laughing at that. When was this, if you don't mind me asking?

  This was before my time, but I recall reading this elsewhere on this board:

  As you may recall, "Judge" Rutherford had Beth Sarim built and deeded to the "Ancient Worthies" (Daniel, David, Samson, etc.). The official teaching thru the 20's and 30's was that these ones would be resurrected in the flesh here on earth before Armageddon broke out.

  Well, the "Judge" died in 1941. However, for several years, there was no official WT comment on the pre-Armageddon resurrection. Then, around 1950 or so, there was a convention in which Franz or Knorr asked something like the following, "Would you believe that there are 'princes in the earth' among us now?"

  Everyone who still remembered Rutherford's teaching looked around anxiously, thinking that Daniel & Moses etc. had been resurrected & were in attendance at that assembly. But, as mentioned, it was just a book release, and the new light was explained that "princes in the earth" were the post-Armageddon surviving elders.
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  Disturbing Information Passed on in Annual Elders Meeting?

  by Dune in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as you all may know, the elders around america have had (or will have) their annual meetings.

  you know, the ones where they are trained and brought up to date about the whole scheme of things.. anyway, an elder who i happen to be close to was telling me yesterday that some troubling/disturbing things has been going down in congregations worldwide.

  he also mentioned that it will be mentioned in watchtowers and km's in the next few months.. anyone know what he may be talking about?

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  sir82

  I will be attending the Elder school shortly.

  I will post any salient points that emerge.
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  Fewer than 100 WWI veterans remain alive

  by Soledad in

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  Say, now, wait a minute...

  Using a report of 65,000 alive in 1990 as a baseline, the VA estimates that no more than 50 remain, perhaps as few as 30.

  So, if there were 8000 Memorial partakers alive in 1990, and in general they were about the same age as WWI vets (perhaps a tad younger), how many would we expect to still be sippin' & crunchin' in 2005?
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  Fewer than 100 WWI veterans remain alive

  by Soledad in

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  It's a long way, to Tipperary,

  It's a long way, to go...
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  Nationwide elders' campaign to find JWs using www.myspace.com?

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this was posted on http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewthread&entryid=8659411&groupid=100205476&adtopicid=27&mytoken=0b2c7ba0-19a8-493e-b7d71de149831b6b768857454 yesterday.

  is it true?

  imbedding the page below.

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  sir82

  Skally,

  Well of course he told you there is no such letter!

  You forgot to give the secret Masonic password when you heard the cue! If you don't tell him "The Knights Templar rule!" when the person at the other end of the line says "Hello", then he knows not to give you any "good" information.

  Just pullin' your chain a little.

  But seriously, there is no letter.