Guys....are you still falling for this?
"JTrottigy" is not the JW talk guy.
Sheesh...I thought we settled this months ago.
Posts by sir82
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39Email from JW relative/elder
by Lynnie inas much as i enjoy you and pete's company, you also know our understanding of how much we want you to be reunited with jehovah and his people.. .
we did not set the standards for what jehovah says about our associations with those who choose to not serve him.
so we will always be there for you and pete, but it is in your hands as to how we can enjoy your friendship.. .
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sir82
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A Kingdom Hall which is NOT up for sale! Any ideas what's going on?
by The Fall Guy inthe kilbirnie congregation in scotland was "relocated" in january 2018 - almost 2 years ago - to the nearest kingdom hall a few miles away in irvine.
the reason given by london bethel was that kilbirnie kh was "scheduled for a refurbishment.
" how long does it take to initiate a kh refurbishment, for goodness sake?.
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sir82
The transition from "RBC" to "LDC" has increased the bureaucratic bungling sevenfold.
You have to get "permission" from the LDC to do anything more extensive than cleaning a toilet or changing a lightbulb.
It's not surprising that projects continue to sit.
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Washington Post - Front Page Expose on Mormon Church Billions Tax Fraud
by POs Son inthe wapo has a front page expose on the mormon church avoiding taxes on billions of dollars under the cloak of religion.
link here: (need to disable popups).
washington post online.
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sir82
I'd bet a plate of doughnuts that the WTS has a similar scandal just waiting in the wings to be exposed....
True they don't collect for "charity", and their members are, as a rule, far less wealthy than the typical Mormon....but there are still 9 or 10-digit sums of money earmarked for "Worldwide Work" that are probably , well, let's just say not going to support Sam & Suzy Missionary in Mudhutville, Angola.
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So the Witnesses still believe in rapture
by eyeslice2 inaccording today's watchtower, all the remaining ones of the anointed ones will be in heaven when the great tribulation breaks to join jesus in the battle against evil.
the watchtower was making the point that at that time god's organization will be ran by members of the 'other sheep'.
it didn't say how these remaining ones find themselves in heaven, but presumably they will be taken, i.e.
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sir82
Jehovah`s Witnesses / GB ,just do not want to use the same wording where they can avoid it as Christendom does, they have to be different.
Yup.
My personal pet peeve - they for some reason can't bring themselves to use the simple, eloquent, profound word "grace" - why? Because "Christendom" uses it.
Instead they use the awful, clunky, awkward, depressing "undeserved kindness".
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So the Witnesses still believe in rapture
by eyeslice2 inaccording today's watchtower, all the remaining ones of the anointed ones will be in heaven when the great tribulation breaks to join jesus in the battle against evil.
the watchtower was making the point that at that time god's organization will be ran by members of the 'other sheep'.
it didn't say how these remaining ones find themselves in heaven, but presumably they will be taken, i.e.
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sir82
Therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful
anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.
Gotta love the mealy-mouthed weasel-worded walkback on this.
"Yeah, sure, it looks like a rapture, and sounds like a rapture, and smells like a rapture...but we don't use the word 'rapture' ".
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So how are they going to proclaim peace and security when in the last days the kings of the North and the South are to be engaged in battle?
by nowwhat? in.
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sir82
Quiet, you!
How dare you point out the fallacies & absurdities of JW doctrine.
What are you, an apostate?
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JW views on saving and retirement
by neat blue dog inprobably one of the most common causes of cognitive dissonance many jws face is the choice to plan for retirement.
if you're a good jw, then you should believe that the end will be coming soon, surely before you retire.
that's what i did when i was younger, blowing decades that could've been better spent because i believed the end was coming, so any planning was a waste of time.
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sir82
One congregation I attended had more than the usual share of wealthy JWs.
They spouted the party line of "Armageddon soon", but they said it with almost a wink, while building up massive portfolios of investments and engaging in business dealings that secured a comfortable lifestyle in their "golden years".
In that congregation there were also some very (well, relatively) "poor ones". Not much of a middle class in that congregation. Those ones were almost proud of their complete lack of financial planning - "oh, we just rely on Jehovah".
That's been my experience - the handful of wealthy JWs act like anyone else in the "world" and invest prudently for the future, while the majority of the not-wealthy proudly view their lack of finances as a sort of proof of their faith.
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Yesterday's Watchtower Study (from October issue) "Stay Faithful Through the Gt. Tribulation"
by BluesBrother inthis article has all the trappings of wts apocalyptic theology, doom and destruction for "the world" salvation into paradise for the faithful .a schedule of future events is described thus :.
1) a worldwide proclamation of peace and security.
2) the destruction of "babylon the great"......it confidently names the characters from this visionary biblical reference, without any supporting reasons.. 3)the nations will then , as gog of magog , attack the wts and the members .
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sir82
They keep harping on about "the destruction of Babylon the Great, the destruction of false religion".
I've never figured out - how does one "destroy" a religion?
People have believed some really bizarro $#!+ for thousands and thousands of years, often in the face of intense persecution and even martyrdom - most of those, from the JW viewpoint, "false" religions.
How exactly is a "coalition of nations" going to "destroy" all of the world's religions simultaneously?
What, exactly, are these "nations" going to do? In detail? Who precisely will do exactly what to specifically whom?
The longer you think about it (well, any amount of time beyond 10 seconds) the more utterly, preposterously absurd it all becomes.
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Stupid armageddon false alarms
by purrpurr inwhen i was 5/6 i remember being in the car with my jw mom and a jw sister.
they noticed a yellow ish glowing cloud in the sky which really freaked them out and they both declared that it must be a sign that armageddon was here!
they then spent the whole car trip declaring that the police and army were about to come and round up all of us.
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sir82
"I'm certain Ronald Reagan is the president that will usher in Armageddon".
Spoken to me nearly 40 years ago.
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local, strange jw thinking
by lancelink ini was reading today that the last star wars movie will be playing next week.
doing a little searching, i found that there have been 12 movies in the saga total, ( box office, total (12 films): $9.323 billion.)..
it got me thinking about when the empire strikes back came out, it was the second movie ( 1980).
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sir82
Does anyone else have a situation where you realized that your local group of jw's had some unreal thinking ?
How about comments like this:
"How good that [popular actor / musician / celebrity] has died! Now he'll be resurrected and get to enjoy paradise!"
Which of course highlights [logical absurdity number 12,458] of JW doctrine: If JW teachings were true, people would be better off dying now rather than continuing to live and risking eternal destruction at Armageddon because they rejected a mumbled 30 second magazine presentation by a bored teenager. People would be better off, in the long run, if JWs committed mass murder rather than trying to preach.