Posts by sir82

39

Only One Destiny for All Christians

by cofty in

the following is an extract from an article i wrote when i left the watchtower 25 years ago.

it may be helpful in reasoning with a jw about the anointed/great crowd distinction.. --------------------------------.

to divide people into those with a heavenly hope and those with an earthly one is not a biblical concept.

sir82

Wait, wait, wait - we're having an argument about whether Jesus took a dump?

Holy $#!+.

14

Ever notice no pictures of any JW get togeathers?

by JimmyYoung in

i remember when i was a kid in the early 70s that we always had a baseball game or picnic where they would get together and bring a dish to pass.

every summer there was one or more.

we had canoe picnic parties and camp fires ect.

There are occasional photos of small groups gathered together - invariably, there are bowls of fruit and/or glasses of orange juice available, and a JW is playing his guitar, and the JWs are singing Kingdom "Melodies". There are never more than 8 or 10 JWs at a time in these illustrations though - the clear implication is that anything more than 2 or 3 families is a "large gathering" and as the GB likes to emphasize, "large gatherings" will inevitably lead to drunkenness, debauchery, fornication, cats and dogs, living together, etc.

182

Major congregational quake in Southern California

by Hecce in

this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

sir82

Many of the brothers affected by the changes are very unhappy, most of them are just
complying against their will, a few are adamant and will be going to the Congregation of
their choice. The elderly are the ones mostly affected by this situation.

Just as I predicted, in various earlier pages of this thread.

29

Wt. April 2020 Revised Joel Prophecy

by BluesBrother in

if this has been posted before, then my apologies..... article in april ‘20 wt changes the view of the locust swarm prophecy...formerly believed to describe the worldwide preaching by anointed.

”simply put, these verses refer, not to our zealous preaching work, but to the activity of the babylonian army that invaded jerusalem in 607 b.c.e.”.

they also tie in the giving of holy spirit to the congregation at pentecost and thereafter.. the article is available to read in full on our least favourite website.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/an-attack-coming-from-the-north/.

sir82

This was the subject of a talk at the October AGM, and the talk is now available on JW Broadcasting.

Another of David Splane's brain farts....

+100.

In the talk, delivered by Splane himself, the smugness just oozes out like pus from a pimple. He is so, so, SO proud of himself that he figured this out, correcting Freddy's error.

And of course the $64,000 question: If they got the interpretation of these "locusts" so dead wrong for so many decades, what are they teaching now that is wrong, and will be corrected next year or in 5 or 10 years?

I've read in countless WT magazines that "a true religion teaches what is true". So, JWs were a false religion until Splane had his holy revelation?

16

Animals as vegetarians thread continued

by Crazyguy2 in

i found out just last night that back in 2015 scientists discovered a piece of amber estimated to be over 15 million years old.

inside the amber was a flea, very similar to the size and kind that attack and eat our blood today.

whats even more astonishing is in the mouth they found bacteria that has the same make up as bubonic plague.

sir82

Wonder what a JW would say?

I know many JWs who would say "you can't trust scientific dating methods. You see, when the water canopy above the earth came down during Noah's flood, it changed the amount of radiation reaching the earth's surface and thus all dating systems which produce an age more than 4000 years ago are flawed. Thus, your 'flea in amber' is really only about 4000 years old, not 15 million."

You would have far more success trying to persuade a piece of gravel to accept the Keynesian economic model, than using facts to reason with a JW, if those facts conflict with their interpretation of the Bible.

8

The large shield of blind[ing] faith

by waton in

2 thoughts on yesterday's jan 19.

2020 wt study.

no 46 wt nov 2019.. the shield of faith, that jws are told to hide behind is so large, page 19, that if held comfortably would require it to have rear view mirrors, (to see 1975).

sir82

The Watchtower does a lot of conflation.

They mention "apostates", but not everyone who opposes JW doctrine or policy is an ex-JW. They conflate "anyone who has a reasonable argument against JWism" with the boogeyman "apostate".

They mention "lies", but the vast, VAST majority of arguments made by purported "apostates" are true. They conflate "facts which cast us in a bad light" with "lies".

When they say "reject apostate lies", it sounds reasonable on the surface (everyone should always reject any lie, regardless of the source), but what they really mean, and the message that JWs receive, is "ignore any report from anyone who provides negative-sounding information about JWs, regardless of whether it is really true or not."

28

I am now 73 and the road has been filled with wonders

by Terry in

jw
friends

i appreciate all my friends who stop to read what i write and post.

you help me more than you know simply by being there as a sense of 'family of friends' for me to talk to and 'share' thoughts with.i guess if i didn't have stories left to tell or people to listen, i could pack it in and join elon musk in a colony on mars.january 15, 2020. .

which world is this?_________________when the doctor pulled my screaming body out of mom all those 7 decades ago, i landed in a post-wwii world.it was--compared to today's world--an alien planet.the world i live in today has nothing in common with the world in which i grew up.there were no cell phones back then--there were black telephones with a dial-tone and an operator who placed your call.everywhere you found telephone booths!

sir82

How have we gotten to page 2 and no one has said....

"OK Boomer"

Sir82, of the "technically, just under the wire, considered a boomer too" class

21

3/2020 WT Baptism Rigmarole

by neat blue dog in

remember those pesky scriptures about 'put faith in jesus and you will be saved' & 'getting baptized without delay'?

well, in this time of the end ™ we know better, and the latest march 2020 study edition wt sums it all up:.

before you can get baptized, there are a few other things you need to do.

sir82

They didn't seem to understand that baptism , as taught by the Society , is supposed to be a "public declaration"
of dedication - all they knew was that it really was about time they got baptised - a kind of JW rite of passage.

Did you go over the questions with me?

That was me, nearly [gulp] 40 years ago.

"About time to get baptized" - yep, that was it in its entirety.

49

The rise and rise of Paul Gillies?

by JWB in

jw
friends

the rise and rise of paul gillies?.

here are a view details about the 57-year-old paul stuart gillies.. .

2011: appointed as a director of international bible students association (ibsa) on 2 november having resigned as a director of watch tower bible and tract society of britain on the same day.

sir82

I was thinking that he'd have to have a more "prominent" role on JW Broadcasting first....but they added Cook to the GB and he had never shown up on the broadcasts, and in fact didn't even show up after his appointment until maybe a year later.

So it still might happen.

21

3/2020 WT Baptism Rigmarole

by neat blue dog in

remember those pesky scriptures about 'put faith in jesus and you will be saved' & 'getting baptized without delay'?

well, in this time of the end ™ we know better, and the latest march 2020 study edition wt sums it all up:.

before you can get baptized, there are a few other things you need to do.

sir82

Hey! Now we know what Acts 8:37 says!

Acts 8:36-38 in the current version of the Revised NWT:

36 Now as they were going along the road, they came to a body of water, and the eunuch said: “Look! Here is water; what prevents me from getting baptized?” 37 * —— 38 With that he commanded the chariot to halt, and both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

How it will appear in the 2021 Re-revised NWT:

36 Now as they were going along the road, they came to a body of water, and the eunuch said: “Look! Here is water; what prevents me from getting baptized?” 37 * [and Philip said unto him: "let the coordinator of the body of elders know that you want to get baptized. He will ask some elders to meet with you. They will review with you the basic Bible teachings that you have learned. They want to make sure that you understand those teachings and that you are aware of the importance of dedication and baptism. If they agree that you are ready, they will inform you that you can get baptized at the next assembly or convention"]. 38 With that he commanded the chariot to halt, and both Philip and the eunuch went down [to the local Kingdom Hall to begin the months-long process to see if the eunuch really qualified].