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  My sister just sent me this text.

  by Brainfloss in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my sister sent me this text a few minutes ago.

  what does she know about my relationship with jehovah?

  it was followed up by a bunch of links to jw org problem is dialog is not possible her side is the only one to be heard.

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  sir82

  It doesn't take too much effort to see where, in that text message, her eyes start to glaze over and the JW indoctrination kicks in.

  I'd just ignore it.
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  Ever wonder how to be "saved" as a JW?

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was searching for something on the wt online library, and was struck by all the requirements a jw has in order to be "saved".. want to see a partial list?

  all these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol.

  just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!.

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  sir82

  I was searching for something on the WT online library, and was struck by all the requirements a JW has in order to be "saved".

  Want to see a partial list? All these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol. jw. org:

  salvation depends on faithfulness and endurance

  salvation depends on learning and using the pure language

  salvation depends on our coming to “an accurate knowledge of truth.”
  

  salvation depends mainly on our faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice.

  Salvation depends on calling upon Jehovah’s name in faith

  salvation depends on Jehovah’s undeserved kindness

  salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers”

  salvation depends on people’s understanding God’s Word and following it

  salvation depends on our turning away from bad ways and complying with what God requires

  salvation depends on our having a clean conscience
  

  
  Phew! That's a lot of hoops to jump through! That's 10 right there. That's all Moses had. But we're just getting started!

  salvation depends on the precious blood of Christ

  salvation depends on our remaining in union with Christ and producing good spiritual fruitage

  salvation depends on our “walking in the truth”

  salvation depends on having faith in the good news and walking in the truth

  salvation depends, not on anything we might do, but on Jehovah’s undeserved kindness

  (wait I'm confused - I thought salvation depended on this list of 897 or so things we have to do?)

  salvation depends upon having the correct understanding

  salvation depends on recognizing and obeying Jesus as our Savior

  Salvation depends on displaying humility

  salvation depends on the course of the individual

  salvation depends on acknowledging Jesus as Lord and Messiah

  Wow, we're up to 20 requirements to be saved!

  Any more?

  You betcha!

  salvation depends on acknowledging that Jehovah alone is God

  salvation depends on working faithfully as his dedicated slaves

  salvation depends on obedience to God in such things

  salvation depends on the course of the individual

  salvation depends on paying more than the usual attention to what God’s Son has spoken

  salvation depends upon their preaching as Christ did

  Well there you go!

  Just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!

  Unless of course I missed some items by not doing a search on "salvation requires", "in order to be saved you must", "being saved means"....

  Yikes! I better get busy! There's probably a couple dozen other things I have to do!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  Oh it definitely starts at the top.

  Odd that states with Republican governors, with identical restrictions, don't need to be "liberated".
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  politicians are getting squeezed by many to open things back up

  I disagree with "by many".

  There are a handful of protests by a few dozen yahoos at various state capitals. It's getting way too much oxygen from breathless media coverage.

  Video of goobers walking around with misspelled cardboard signs, chanting nonsense, makes for bright shiny images that look good on a TV newscast that boosts ratings.

  The governor of Georgia plans on "opening up" gyms & bowling alleys next week. Let's see if "many" people start streaming in, desperate to wear sweaty shoes that other people just finished wearing, and to stick their fingers into holes.

  
  
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  Still not following - if I choose not to go to the hospital, why do I need to sign a waiver first saying "I will not go to the hospital"? I just won't go.

  As noted, it simply is not a matter of "putting myself in danger". I could be one of the 10%? 20%? 50% of people who can be asymptomatic carriers of the virus. If I go to a "nightclub, restaurant, gym, whatever", I could very easily infect dozens or hundreds of other people if I'm infected and don't know it.

  I think I kind of see where you're coming from, and if it really were an issue of "I'm willing to put myself in danger" I might agree, but that is not the case. My going out endangers the lives of many other people, waiver or no waiver.
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  I don't follow. Your post outlines the danger that people put others in when they ignore the social distancing guidelines.

  How does my signing a waiver refusing medical treatment, then going out to work, protect the dozens or hundreds of other people I might infect?
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  EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One!

  by MuchCloserLook in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!

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  And what part of humanity are you implying are not guilty of this? Governments, Religions, Business, even Science?

  So...if I understand correctly, your argument is:

  Sure, God is a murderous and sadistic tyrant, but everyone else is too, so it's OK.

  Do I understand that correctly?

  The One who GAVE life has the Absolute Right to TAKE it.

  So, again, correct me if I misunderstand....

  It's OK for parents to murder their own children?
  
  
  
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  I watched/listened to the Sandman's vid (Sanderson)

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, i listened to it.

  my sister has received the invite to watch this from a hopeful relative.

  it's been talked about here and on reddit.

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  Under those conditions, even skeptics would likely feel compelled to admit that Bible prophecy was undergoing fulfillment.

  Think about this for more than the 2-3 seconds that they want you to think about it.

  What is it really saying?

  That God has given "signs", a warning, about the "great tribulation", but he doesn't want very many people to understand the sign. Based on what they've written, Jehovah would be displeased if "too many" people took note of the sign and changed their ways.

  Jehovah, baaed on what they write, prefers to present a muddled, vague, unclear sign that most people will completely miss. So when he ends up slaughtering billions of men, women, and children at Armageddon, it will be because he purposely obscured his "hints" at what was to come, so that "not even skeptics" could be saved.

  The Watchtower paints Jehovah as far more cruel, sadistic, and vindictive than even the OT Bible writers managed to do.

  
  
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  JW patient with covid-19 received blood transfusion

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a patient admitted from a skilled nursing facility/rehab that is an active jw.

  the patient had covid-19 as did most of the patients at that facility.

  typically the local elders are all involved in these admissions but there is a strict no visitor policy which includes clergy.

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  There have been many reports on this site over the years about JWs who accept blood transfusions, or transfusions of the "components" that JWs also prohibit for their adherents, after confirming with the medical staff that their decision will remain private from prying elders. I can't independently confirm those reports, but they certainly sound plausible.

  I suspect it is quite common, and was so even before the current pandemic.

  Heard that some jws died due to covid

  There was a meeting on Friday between Bethel and COs, then COs passed the info to COBEs, and COBEs to elders, and then elders to publishers....the count of JWs who have died of COVID-19 in the US, as of Friday 4/17, is 250. I don't know the count for the entire world.
  
  
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  The irony of 2 Tim 3:16-17

  by pseudoxristos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. most scholars don't think paul wrote 2 timothy.. every time i here a witness quote this verse, i will be reminded of the irony.. -undisputed-.

  1 thessalonians.

  galatians.

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  Isn't there an alternate way of translating that verse, something like "the scriptures which are inspired by God are beneficial..."

  ...implying that some of the scriptures were not inspired by God, so their value may be lesser.

  Or am I misremembering?