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  US Letter Read Sunday 4/26 at Meeting - No KH Use and No Field Service Indefinitely

  by JWTom in

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  2. friends

  there was a letter read sunday at our meeting that mentioned some parts of us are starting to open back up.

  however, regardless of things opening up that no kingdom halls should be used for any meetings of any kind.

  also, no door-to-door ministry or any form of in-person ministry is allowed.

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  sir82

  It's real.

  It's an "Announcement" rather than a letter, so it doesn't have letterhead, signatures, etc.

  But it's on the jw.borg site.
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  July 2020 Watchtower - A little observation

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a comment made in the latest study watchtower under the main discussion of humility.

  11 jehovah values humility more than ability and unity more than efficiency.

  therefore, do your best to serve jehovah with humility.

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  LOL.

  Translations:

  Jehovah values humility more than ability

  There are some really incompetent nitwits with positions of authority, but YOU can't complain about it. Your job is to "humbly" shut up and obey them unquestioningly in anything & everything.

  unity more than efficiency

  We've got stupid, inefficient processes full of red tape and bureaucracy, but YOU can't complain about it. Your job is to "unitedly" shut up and obey us unquestioningly in anything & everything.
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  A Question: How About Praying for -or Including a Mention of - Covid-19 First Responders?

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how do you think the congregation would react?

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  How do you think the congregation would react?

  You'd see the elders moving faster than they do when the Golden Trough Corral puts out a fresh tub of mac-n-cheese on a Sunday afternoon, racing up the aisle to "have a talk in the back room" with the prayer-giver.
  
  
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  My sister just sent me this text.

  by Brainfloss in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my sister sent me this text a few minutes ago.

  what does she know about my relationship with jehovah?

  it was followed up by a bunch of links to jw org problem is dialog is not possible her side is the only one to be heard.

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  It doesn't take too much effort to see where, in that text message, her eyes start to glaze over and the JW indoctrination kicks in.

  I'd just ignore it.
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  Ever wonder how to be "saved" as a JW?

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was searching for something on the wt online library, and was struck by all the requirements a jw has in order to be "saved".. want to see a partial list?

  all these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol.

  just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!.

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  sir82

  I was searching for something on the WT online library, and was struck by all the requirements a JW has in order to be "saved".

  Want to see a partial list? All these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol. jw. org:

  salvation depends on faithfulness and endurance

  salvation depends on learning and using the pure language

  salvation depends on our coming to “an accurate knowledge of truth.”
  

  salvation depends mainly on our faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice.

  Salvation depends on calling upon Jehovah’s name in faith

  salvation depends on Jehovah’s undeserved kindness

  salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers”

  salvation depends on people’s understanding God’s Word and following it

  salvation depends on our turning away from bad ways and complying with what God requires

  salvation depends on our having a clean conscience
  

  
  Phew! That's a lot of hoops to jump through! That's 10 right there. That's all Moses had. But we're just getting started!

  salvation depends on the precious blood of Christ

  salvation depends on our remaining in union with Christ and producing good spiritual fruitage

  salvation depends on our “walking in the truth”

  salvation depends on having faith in the good news and walking in the truth

  salvation depends, not on anything we might do, but on Jehovah’s undeserved kindness

  (wait I'm confused - I thought salvation depended on this list of 897 or so things we have to do?)

  salvation depends upon having the correct understanding

  salvation depends on recognizing and obeying Jesus as our Savior

  Salvation depends on displaying humility

  salvation depends on the course of the individual

  salvation depends on acknowledging Jesus as Lord and Messiah

  Wow, we're up to 20 requirements to be saved!

  Any more?

  You betcha!

  salvation depends on acknowledging that Jehovah alone is God

  salvation depends on working faithfully as his dedicated slaves

  salvation depends on obedience to God in such things

  salvation depends on the course of the individual

  salvation depends on paying more than the usual attention to what God’s Son has spoken

  salvation depends upon their preaching as Christ did

  Well there you go!

  Just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!

  Unless of course I missed some items by not doing a search on "salvation requires", "in order to be saved you must", "being saved means"....

  Yikes! I better get busy! There's probably a couple dozen other things I have to do!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  Oh it definitely starts at the top.

  Odd that states with Republican governors, with identical restrictions, don't need to be "liberated".
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  politicians are getting squeezed by many to open things back up

  I disagree with "by many".

  There are a handful of protests by a few dozen yahoos at various state capitals. It's getting way too much oxygen from breathless media coverage.

  Video of goobers walking around with misspelled cardboard signs, chanting nonsense, makes for bright shiny images that look good on a TV newscast that boosts ratings.

  The governor of Georgia plans on "opening up" gyms & bowling alleys next week. Let's see if "many" people start streaming in, desperate to wear sweaty shoes that other people just finished wearing, and to stick their fingers into holes.

  
  
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  Still not following - if I choose not to go to the hospital, why do I need to sign a waiver first saying "I will not go to the hospital"? I just won't go.

  As noted, it simply is not a matter of "putting myself in danger". I could be one of the 10%? 20%? 50% of people who can be asymptomatic carriers of the virus. If I go to a "nightclub, restaurant, gym, whatever", I could very easily infect dozens or hundreds of other people if I'm infected and don't know it.

  I think I kind of see where you're coming from, and if it really were an issue of "I'm willing to put myself in danger" I might agree, but that is not the case. My going out endangers the lives of many other people, waiver or no waiver.
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  COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

  even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

  in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

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  I don't follow. Your post outlines the danger that people put others in when they ignore the social distancing guidelines.

  How does my signing a waiver refusing medical treatment, then going out to work, protect the dozens or hundreds of other people I might infect?
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  EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One!

  by MuchCloserLook in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!

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  And what part of humanity are you implying are not guilty of this? Governments, Religions, Business, even Science?

  So...if I understand correctly, your argument is:

  Sure, God is a murderous and sadistic tyrant, but everyone else is too, so it's OK.

  Do I understand that correctly?

  The One who GAVE life has the Absolute Right to TAKE it.

  So, again, correct me if I misunderstand....

  It's OK for parents to murder their own children?