I was fronted by an elder in the street who asked me the basic questions e.g. Do I believe the faithful and discreet slave are gods only channel on earth? What could I say but the truth?
I was classed an apostate
there are quite a few here who have been disfellowshipped for apostasy.. then there are those that have successfully faded.. why the different outcome?
are the ones that got df more out spoken?
or does the discrepancy lie with the elders?.
I was fronted by an elder in the street who asked me the basic questions e.g. Do I believe the faithful and discreet slave are gods only channel on earth? What could I say but the truth?
I was classed an apostate
conventions always just seemed like more of a vacation to me than anything else, especially if you had to travel out of town for it, but definitely were exhausting especially toward the end of each day.
for some reason i didn't mind the special and circuit assemblies too much, probably because they seemed like more of a social event than anything else and only 1-2 days.
the memorial always was kind of boring to me.
I found "conventions" mind numbingly and stunningly boring for 20 yrs. What was I doing intellectually?
Asleep to avoid personal responsibility for changing my life, that's what....
i really fail to see how much actual "witnessing" is occurring with the trolley carts.publishers, usually pioneers, just stand or sit there not engaging anyone and count their time.. the only thing i notice that it's accomplishing is brand exposure for jw.0rg so the public is exposed to the logo and literature/poster card headlines.. take for example this "evening" witnessing by a pioneer elder while on summer holiday/vacation.. .
is this not a wth kinda moment when you consider the years of slaving, knocking on doors, business territory and bible studies we had to keep performing so we weren't branded a "weak" publisher?.
This surely must signal the winding down of jws preaching door to door etc.
I said many yrs ago that the jws will go mainstream religion if they are to survive and so far they are right on track to prove me correct.
her: "i'm really going enjoy talking to young billy about his masturbation problem".
him: "yes, we don't him to turn out out gay, we want him to have a happy marriage filled with hours and hours of reading propaganda together.
even the stuff that is in no way applicable to our lives.
Her to him... Not long now and the 6 billion satan worshippers will be fried
Him to her ....Great especially all those noisy children who annoy us at the park while we're reading our spiritual food
so is anyone else having an existential crisis after becoming fully awake?
let me explain.
about 2 years ago i read coc, still believed and tried to get back in da troof.
My two cents
Reading your words I see that you are fixed on the future and the what ifs...
Yes we all die. No one has been an exception to that rule.
Yes we will be forgotten in the future. That's a definite.
Ironically you are presently living in that future state, dead and forgotten.
Isn't that such a waste of this precious gift of life?
Look at the odds of you being born and especially in good health and in a country where you have so many opportunities.
My opinion is for you not to try to change this situation at all but rather stare deep into it and see what answers come up. Some on this journey choose to kill themselves and I can understand that but hey they will never see what tomorrow brings.
When we face our darkest fears we can become liberated from the past.
Please be attentive to now as that's all we have.
i was just listening to a documentary while driving.
it was about the salvation army past and present.
what caught my attention was the similarities between the s.a. and the jws.... firstly was the music and how they stubbornly shunned popular and ever changing musical trends by writing and playing their own exclusive hymns for over a century.this made the church inward looking and ignorant to social change which inevitably led to losing touch with the wider world.. initially they preached but as times moved on they relied on growth via families and keeping the family separate from the world.
I was just listening to a documentary while driving. It was about the Salvation Army past and present. What caught my attention was the similarities between the S.A. and the JWs...
Firstly was the music and how they stubbornly shunned popular and ever changing musical trends by writing and playing their own exclusive hymns for over a century.This made the church inward looking and ignorant to social change which inevitably led to losing touch with the wider world.
Initially they preached but as times moved on they relied on growth via families and keeping the family separate from the world.
A sociologist who was interviewed said that new churches (cults if you like) when they first form, make extreme rules and regulations in an attempt to separate themselves from the traditional Christian religions, to set themselves apart. But as time goes on these rules are eased and church goes into the religious phase where they steer towards the main stream.
The final comments were basically saying the S.A. are in crisis trying to be relevant in this ever changing world.
There was much more but I was concentrating on driving!
Anyone else noticed the similarities?
finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..
Travel....
Dancing under a full moon in the Himalayas
Charity work
Meeting inspiring people who had dreams
Passionate lovers who were with me for who I am rather than what I had
My children and grand children free of the cult
Think outside the box
many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of god.
it seems they feel that it is god’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts..
people’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning!
Ha they're baaack!!
BK's as noted by Cofty were supposed to stop preaching on this site. They are "hoist by their own petard"
There is no point interacting with them unless you enjoy frustration
the extraordinarily high pollen count has finally done me in.
i started with head congestion and coughing on friday and have steadily felt worse.
i now have an earache and a heavy feeling in my chest.. yes, i do have a doctor's appointment for tomorrow, as i'm sure the advice would be!
Buy yourself a neti pot. Keep it for these attacks. I get sinusitis so bad I have trouble standing up due to dizziness.
The neti pot washes all of the crap out and seems to ease the swelling too.
naturally leads to the question of god.
why does man need god?
why does man create god?
Why does man create God?
Well humans are and have always been terrified of being alone. Imagine that we are the highest intelligence in the Universe....Alone as the pinnacle of evolution.
Fear is the main emotion and also a dread that we are responsible for our actions in the physical world around us. Better to create "Super Parents", gods and goddesses that take away that personal responsibility for our thoughts and actions (behaviours).
Freud allegedly said.."Most people don't want freedom because freedom requires responsibility and most people are frightened of responsibility"
Better to be slaves of christ??