Posts by LouBelle

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Where Is The Love?

by minimus in

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friends

roberta flack sang that song in the 1970's.

today, it's the anthem for jehovah's witnesses in the "worldwide brotherhood".

this religion says they are different.

You know EvilForce my elders actually used to sit and smile and say "we commend you for making an effore & appreciate your answers" That used to make me feel so sick straight away 'cos I knew a bib BUT was to follow.

There are so many times that I'd get hauled over the coals for something that I had supposedly done. A little bit about my personality - I'm a type of person that if something is funny I enjoy having a good real loud laugh, if we dance I have a blast - really enjoy life to the full. So anyway this one time a whole group of us go off for drinks, now here in S.A we get Happy Hour so like you pay 10 bucks and you drink as much as you like (usually house spirits) as long as you hold onto your glass. Now I like my Jack Daniels & so opted not to go for that - I think the whole night I had about 2 doubles. The next day at the meeting (hell I even went on fieldies before) I, along with a few other mates get pulled aside by 2 elders in full view of everyone and asked why I was drunk & disorderly (one elder was actually with us the previous night) Now things should not be handled like this - I let them know in no uncertain terms that whomever they got their facts from lied, that I wasn't going to justify them with an answer, just because I'm a little loud & know how to have fun does not mean I'm drunk, and off I walked, with my mates in tow.

Amazing how they jump to conclusions, not buying out the time to find out what happens, approaching you with an accusation instead of approaching you with love & compassion.

An interesting thing is when Moses asked God if he could see his glory, God says to him, to turn his face & walks by and the first thing that God says about himself (this is God on God now) I am Compassionate, slow to anger.......

No my friends, they do not know nor do they understand the meaning of any type of love.

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term-unbaptised?

by carla in

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i have seen the term 'unbaptised' a number of times now, do you mean 'never baptised' or does the org actuallly 'unbaptise' somehow?

or does the term apply do those who are df'd or da'd?

thanks, carla

LouBelle

oh ja and don't forget that if you are not baptized you may not survive armegeddon.!

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The small size of KH windows

by helios in

it was only a few days ago when driving through a small town in the uk i noted a kh.

nothing unusual except that one side wall was totally devoid of anything.

the other side of the building revealed three very small windows, and i mean small.

LouBelle

Small windows = lack of oxygen to the brain = brain sends signals to start yawning & fall asleep. People WE WANT THEM TO KEEP SMALL WINDOWS!!!!

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Rapture

by Lois in

the pretribulation rapture : what if it isn't true?

- c. h. fisher

christian articles on: eschatology.

LouBelle

There is also a book series "end of days" that deal with the rapture. I'm about to launch into it (12 novels) Some delicious reading there.

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WTBTS and the Cross

by Honesty in

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does anyone have any idea why the cross is such a stumbling block to the wtbs and the jehovah's witnesses?

1 corinthians 1:18 describes their belief system to a "t".

LouBelle

It was common practice for the romans to execute people on crosses - it was their "thing". Another thing is that the sign "Jesus: King of the Jews " was nailed above his head not his hands.

I usually like to throw in "well I"m going to put a stake around my neck" just to stir the already boiling pot with some witties.

And the point is not what he died on. Why did he die? Like reagon_oconnor said "talk about missing the point" One could not measure how far off the mark the JWs' are.

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Did you ever experience Holy Spirit?

by Ring Wielder in

i was a jw for 40 years.

although as an individual/cong/body of elders holy spirirt was prayed for, i cannot think of one moment when i thought..right now i have gods spirit acting upon me.

it was never described adequately for me to completely understand and i suspect that others felt the same, yet everyone talked as though they knew exactly how it worked.

LouBelle

According to the Jw's the Holy spirit is Gods' active force and that was about it. I remember when I was about 17 I prayed to Jehovah and asked sincerly that he please send the holy spirit to guide me in my personal study of the revelation book. That day I realised that the 144 000 was not a literal number - I did have - the best way to describe it would be "a quickening of my spirit" I knew it then & I know it now - God's Holy spirit became operative in me that day - I sat up on my bed and just said "WOW" (eyes were wide and had this look of amazement on my face) That is when all my questions started......Sure it's taken time for me to finally leave the religion by in that time I was being guided by holy spirit.

I know now that we have the holy spirit - it's a gift that was given to us freely - we don't even need to pray for the holy spirit - you have him at all times- you just have to ask for him to work in your life when he needs to.

I feel it when eg. last night I was explaining to my aunt why I was getting df'ed (she's an elders wife) and it was almost as it it wasn't me speaking (sure it sounded like me) but the continual flow of words & scripture & calmness wasn't me - my mother heard me and she mentioned that she could hear the holy spirit flowing.

It's by holy spirit that God has guided me to his Grace & rest. All I can say is Praise God for the freedom of getting to know him personally and without an organisation telling what I can and cant do, what I can and can't pray for, what God is or isn't.

Who said they went all lubby bubby christian?????

34

Where Is The Love?

by minimus in

jw
friends

roberta flack sang that song in the 1970's.

today, it's the anthem for jehovah's witnesses in the "worldwide brotherhood".

this religion says they are different.

LouBelle

Love - there are 4 types - we all know them - the witnesses are very "intellectual" on the different types & what they mean, but when it actually comes to showing these various types of love they fall horribly short. They cannot express it - Looking back I've never truly been shown this love by them, no one has come to my aid when they've seen me battling lugging stuff around at assemblies (being a single sister - perhaps it was because I didn't look right).

Even when I went back for a short stint - I noticed that they all remained in their groups or cliques, no one really bothered to get to know the old ones, or they would speak to them at the halls and thought that was enough. If you are not in the clique you didn't socialise. When I went back for that very short period my eyes & heart had opened already and my heart truly bled for "my bothers" and how they treated each other. Boundries, walls, it was shocking. And they were supposed to die for me - they never would!

I remember there was this one old sister - she gave such simple answers as she had a slight mental problem and not many people would chat to her. My heart was so moved by her that I went up to her and said "my sister, thank you so much for giving me your best answer, I appreciate it that you took the time and effort to answer" (her eyes teared over & she thanked me, that's when my eyes teared and I grabbed her hand and asked her what her name was and took an interest in her) No one else gave her time. My heart still aches for those old dears - I think to myself, who will chat to them & try make them smile & have genuine affection for them......

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JW love in action: JWs fail to inform me when roommate of two years dies

by seattleniceguy in

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friends

when i was a witness, i shared a house with an elder/pioneer named herb.

herb was in his eighties, and he had paid off his two-bedroom house long ago, so he would offer the extra bedroom to local brothers.

it was a good deal, and herb got some company at the house, so everyone benefited.. for being in his eighties, herb was exceptionally fit.

LouBelle

By their love (or lack there-of) you will know them. All those that produce fine fruit will be saved and all those that produce rotten fruit will be cast into the fire.

Their "love" is in word & not deed. I'm truly hurt to know they acted that way. As someone who is going to be DF'ed shortly & with an aging grandmother - it pains me .....

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WT - Running Out of Ideas?

by the_classicist in

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i saw the recent wt.

it was entitled, "taking in knowledge: will it ever end.

first of all, what really pissed me off is that they put greek idiom into english, because they refuse, or are too stupid, to translate greek idiom into english.

LouBelle

In doing some digging I came across watchtowers in the 1950's - the are still saying pretty much the same thing today and then say oh it's reminders - or it's for the new ones....... what about those that actually do have a deep knowledge of the bible...oh wait they've all be df'ed

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term-unbaptised?

by carla in

jw
friends

i have seen the term 'unbaptised' a number of times now, do you mean 'never baptised' or does the org actuallly 'unbaptise' somehow?

or does the term apply do those who are df'd or da'd?

thanks, carla

LouBelle

No matter if you've been baptised in another religion it don't matter because once you joing the JWs' you are an unbaptised person, because you have not been baptised into their religion.

An interesting thing is that prior to 1985 2 questions that they asked were something like 1. Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned (ouch!!! terrible to be condemend) sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the father, through his son Jesus Christ ? 2. On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirt?

Then they changed it to...1 on the basis of the sarifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? Do you Understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovahss Witnesses in assocaition with God's spirit directed organization????? Holy spirit has gone outta the window here....