I haven't been on this forum for some months now. I thought I wouldn't come back. But I must say, you have kept me updated on the latest news. And many of your topics are very interesting, like this one. What I am seeing and reading in books like Diane Wilson's book, The Awakening of a Jehovah's Witness, actually is irritating to me. Why? If you read this book, you will see clearly that she remained in the organization for years. However, it is clear that her thinking processes were always in tact. She was never really asleep. Just complaining in her head why this and that were wrong. So what I see, is what many call an awakening, is really just the courage to leave. I on the other hand was in a real coma. When you love every aspect of the organization and in addition, love the Bible, like I did, it takes a miracle to wake up. So I guess I feel one needs to differentiate awakening and just leaving. That is important to me. Because the latter are of no help to me and I have seen on Facebook that they don't have the skills to awaken others. They turn JW'S off. I would of never listened to them. What I feel wakes up someone who is truly comatose, is seeing actual lies and cover ups in the literature itself. The reason is because I feel that all on this forum who were truly asleep (unconscious that anything was wrong in organization), woke up because they were a real truth seeker. Whether that was our perception of truth in Bible or we felt truth was in agnosticism or atheism. We just want the truth. We refuse to close our eyes regardless of consequences.
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Why Me?
by John Aquila indo you ever wonder why out of all the witnesses, you are the one that woke up?
i wonder many times why me.
i know many men and women that are much, much better persons than me; either they are much smarter, more humble, kinder, more successful, or just better persons all around.
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Has This Site Ever Hurt You In Your Journey Out Of The JW Religion?
by minimus inthis site has gone through many metamorphosis over the years.
i believe it is a kinder, less edgy place tan it was a few years ago.
i wonder how many people were helped versus turned off by this place.
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I will not be posting anymore comments starting now. This is based on my last post. I personally don't believe this is the best healing spot. At first it was good. It was nice to express yourself as to why you are leaving the Watchtower. However, I don't need other "faithful slaves" trying to teach me their dogma. I didn't come here to become an atheist or agnostic. I am not a man that had a problem going door to door if it was God's will. I didn't complain about all those meetings if it were God's house. True, I am seeing that it is not God's house. We all left for different reasons. I am not an arrogant man who left because I want to do things that we were taught not to do (like party, watch horror films, etc.) I left because I discovered that the Watchtower is not being honest about it's history and that opened up a can of worms that wouldn't stop. I wish this forum could be filtered based on age and how much we were vested. Just because you were a Bethelite, elder, pioneer, missionary,etc. does not mean you are vested with your heart. That is the real problem with the Watchtower, many of them are not. They can talk organization day and night, but they have very little to say about Jehovah or Jesus as persons. They simply are machines. I still believe many don't know what a true believer is. If you have anything that you want to say, feel free to send it to my box. But this will be my last post in this forum.
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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ
by vinman ini must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.
i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.
i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.
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The Watchtower did not teach about why to trust Bible. Did not teach me why I need to worship Yahweh. Did not teach me the reality of Jesus, -
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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ
by vinman ini must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.
i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.
i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.
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What in these books tells you that god exists?
One particular book I am fond of is The Secret Melody- And Man Created the Universe. In this book he explains that our views of the universe have always changed (Kepler's universe, Newton's, Einstein's, etc.) He tries to demonstrate that complexity does not necessarily need a creator. However, he states that their is a persisting doubt. Any slight change in physics and we would not be. I guess, what I'm saying, is that so many of these cosmologists, act and talk like they were there at the big bang. Yet, in the end, another man made universe will be created such as Hawking. It boils down to this: "Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand."-Job 38:4
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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ
by vinman ini must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.
i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.
i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.
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I must say that I have always loved Jehovah and His son Jesus Christ. I have a 12 inch diameter telescope. I would go outside and listen to the Psalms that praised to my God. Especially the Psalms that dealt with the creation. "The heavens are declaring the glory of God". Still gives me chills when I think of those words as I stare into the heart of Orion nebula. I would praise and thank him for all the wonderful things he has done for me. Jehovah and Jesus were everything to me, not the organization. In all the years, I have always gone far beyond the Watchtower, to study how we know if God exists. I have many astronomy and cosmology books that tell me that God does exist. I went way out the Watchtower to study if God is a trinity. I will never believe that. God's name? Again, I examined that way outside of the Watchtower. My question is only for those who feel like me. How are you dealing with discovering TTATT? Currently I feel divided because of the newness of the discovery. It is actually hard to focus on the Bible because of my particular situation. But deep down my soul craves that relationship with Jehovah and His Son. -
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Newbies , Are We Seeing An Accelerated Increase? This Past Year ? Newbies Feel free To Respond Please .
by smiddy inis it just me or does anyone else see more newbies joining this site this past year and especially in the last few months .. we would love to welcome you with genuine friendship ,support ,encouragement ,a place to vent ,and not judge you.. you have the freedom to express whatever view you like and you won`t be kicked off the board.. and to learn more about the "truth" about the truth , you will not hear at a kingdom hall .. smiddy.
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Bonsai. You say, "maybe this is the truth". I'm a newbie as well. Just discovered this was not the truth 4 months ago. I cried like a baby. What helped me? Read Crisis of Conscience. Could not put it down. But, a real clincher was In Search of Christian Freedom. Why? You discover that the most fundamental things like door to door work was being debated in the 70's. Wow! I thought that was settled in the book of Acts! House to house not the same as door to door. Counting time was and still is a big issue. I guess that book really opens your eyes to all the things that you knew were problems but couldn't pinpoint why. Encourage you to read it. Very tedious but worth every minute.
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New Kingdom Hall Design
by vinman inlatest tv.org video.
only been mentally out 4 months, but lett's concluding words made me want to vomit.
the propaganda is thick.
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Why attack?
by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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All of us are simply feeling a lot of pain. It may never go away. When I discovered TTATT 4 months ago, I cried. What can I compare it to? Imagine your parents always showing you love. They hugged and kissed you when you were growing up. They tucked you in at night. You remember all the good times with them. They provided for you. You always felt their love. You were secure. Then as you grew up, you found out that they loved you so much that they actually kidnapped you from your real parents, and killed them. Now you know the truth. But other family members are saying, you know they loved you, didn't you feel their love? Didn't they show affection? Talk about confusion. You and I have found the TTATT. Nothing good that happened in the organization will change the real truth.
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Supernatural Tony......the 3rd
by snare&racket ini realised something today.... we all happily accepted something really ridiculous.....something that if worded how i will word it now, we would have rejected as ridiculous, but after a moments thought, would have to concede.. we once followed the governing body because we believed they had supernatural powers.
how ridiculous you may say, no we didn't!
of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws.
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“The brother went down to get the mail before breakfast, and when we had breakfast he said, ‘Brother Riemer, I got a new Watchtower this morning, and do you know the first thing that Ma and I do when we get that Tower? We kneel down before we take the wrapper off and ask Jehovah to make us worthy to see what the message is that Jehovah has for us. Now, before we take the wrapper off, will you kneel down and pray with us?’ How different that elective elder was from this humble couple who appreciated Jehovah’s organization” (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1964, p 574) -
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The Secret is out....but nobody cares
by MrTheocratic ini've been looking on this site for some time but never posted.
i'll give a little about myself, but not too much.
i'm a ex-bethelite ( brooklyn )and currently serving as an elder (10 years) (thinking about stepping down) on the service committee.
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I think some dont understand the expression True Believer. A true believer is one who studies day and night, takes his privileges very seriously, prays to Jehovah. He does support the organization, but in his mind, it IS about Jehovah. True, he reads the literature, but in his mind it is not about the Watchtower. The Bible is his real focus. I was one of them. Many of you here know for a fact, that you were sort of alone if this is how you felt. Years ago I had an elder friend of mine say that their are few people that he could have a deep discussion about Jehovah or Jesus as persons. These people are few. I know many elders, pioneers, and publishers, that will turn you in to the elders for anything. They talk about all the new light. They seem so involved. But you can't talk about Jehovah with them. They cheat at business, overdrinking, foul language etc. In my current congregation of 120, I would say about 50 are True Believers in the strict sense. We call this the "core". I believe that "core" is getting older and smaller. I am 45 . And in countries like the U.S., I believe my generation is a turning point. So many young people are not "reaching out", not pioneering, don't want to go to Bethel. The boe, which I served for years, it was obvious that only about 2 of 6 were true believers. As was already said, just because you are deeply involved, doesn't mean your believing everything. You are just so drunk with privileges, you can't think straight. In fact I just found out 2 of my friends are "apostates". No, they said they weren't. But I said they were. Simply because they disagreed on all issues such as blood, disfellowshipping , counting time, pioneering, you name it. I believe many are like this, but they feel you should still go through the motions and it is still Jehovahs organization. Oh, and they ARE NOT APOSTATES. But I need to correct how I feel...Yeah. Right.