Posts by vinman

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What Convinced you to Leave?

by LaurenM in

i've been posting here a lot, but these last few weeks have been very difficult for me.

anyways, lately, i've been thinking about confessing everything i've done to the elders and going back, but deep down, i don't really think it's the truth...so my question is, what convinced you it wasn't the truth and that leaving wasn't a horrible decision that everyone in the truth makes it out to be?

vinman

When I seen the bold face lie about the Watchtower never writing a biography of Russell in the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Divine Purpose book and then seeing the actal pdf of that biography. Finding out how they deceptively hid the fact that we worshipped Jesus till1954. Finally, by reading old books and finding out that 1914 did not originate with Bible Students but came from Second Adventists. Once I found these things, it was a green light to do deeper research without guilt. It is interesting, that for most of us, the things that awakened us, are not the things that keep us out. When you continue to research, a much larger, frightening picture emerges. One of mind control, the organization is all about money, the deception is EVERYWHERE. I was a true hardcore believer all my life. When I say that, I mean I loved the organization and the Bible. It was all I thought about. So for me to leave, it would take undeniable proof. If I could be proved wrong, I would go back. I was a very happy person in the organization. Of coarse, I was very busy within, which is what the organization wants. Feel free to send a message to my box anytime if you have any questions.

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Hebrew Was The First Language

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

according to the newest watchtower:.

jehovah communicated with adam in the garden of eden, using human language.

god likely did so in an ancient form of hebrew.

vinman

Two sides to EVERY story.

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why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL

by Tater-T in

why did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me

vinman

I am no longer a witness. But my love of Yahweh and his Son was never based on Watchtower. I respect other people's opinions. I will never resort to name calling or speaking my thoughts in an arrogant manner. But I will share what affected me and for those who care, what has kept me on track. I meditated on this and of course my thoughts are in brackets.

Thus says Yahweh: Cursed is the man ( intentionally or not I am receiving the affects of trusting 7 men all my life) who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from Yahweh. ( common after leaving Watchtower)- Jeremiah 17:5

Jeremiah, 17:6 - For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good comes, ( leaving the tower is traumatic and many lives do not turn out well due to fact that they did not see good when it came, that of leaving Watchtower) but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, a salt land and not inhabited.
Anyway, I am not preaching. But for those who are still believers, you might like this.

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why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL

by Tater-T in

why did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me

vinman

Copied and pasted: Jesus' suffering and torture shows the hatred and cruelty of humanity. Satan's hatred of God and His Son Jesus were the motivation behind the extreme torture and abuse. The suffering of Jesus is an example of how sinful man feels toward a holy God (Romans 3:10-18).

Isaiah 53:3-5 says, "He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."

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Cognitive Dissonance Runs Deep

by vinman in

while it is true that maybe 1 or 2 things woke you up (like myself), it is interesting to reflect on the reality of what you did not believe, even if you were a true believer and would of died for the organization.

here is my list (not a complete list, i'm sure their is more).

what is your list like?.

vinman

The problem with this and any cult, is that all the things mentioned by all of you is not taught un the Bible Teach, Knowledge, Truth, etc. books. Imagine if it was. Absolutely no one would become a JW. Wack Pack incorporated.

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Help me Out Here

by vinman in

i've been out about 9 months.

and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.

i've been married 23 years.

vinman

I guess my problem is, currently I am obsessed with ex- JW stuff. I sit down to drink coffee after work, and all I can do is read everything ex-JW. I can't get enough. It is all I think about. How long does this continue? Reading a lot must come with the PTSD. We have avoided knowledge for so long. We are like a child in a library. I can't say I hate that organization enough!

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the wonderful world wde witnessing work----or is it ?

by stan livedeath in

hiding behind the literature stand in a litter strewn empty shop doorway.. .

is this what the witnessing has now dumbed down to ?.

who's bringing reproach on jehovah's name now ?.

vinman

Just plain depressing. I'm so glad I never had a chance to do that crap. Just think, the GB orders them to do such. That is why I couldn't fade slowly. One day I was at the meeting, the next , vanished. Just couldn't handle the GB telling me what to do and how to do it.

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Let’s Speculate!!!

by John Aquila in

you know the organization is slowly going down.

not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

vinman

They will create a third magazine by a different name. They will place all 3 for about 2 years. Then they will stop printing the Watchtower and tell the R/F that it will be more effective to go back to 2 magazines, thus rebranding to new name.

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Price for Child Abuse

by vinman in

how much money do you think the watchtower will have to dish out for this scandal in australia?

vinman

I most certainly agree with Blondie. It is for that reason I want it to hit their wallet. As Driving Force said, it is about waking more people up.

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Cognitive Dissonance Runs Deep

by vinman in

while it is true that maybe 1 or 2 things woke you up (like myself), it is interesting to reflect on the reality of what you did not believe, even if you were a true believer and would of died for the organization.

here is my list (not a complete list, i'm sure their is more).

what is your list like?.

vinman

While it is true that maybe 1 or 2 things woke you up (like myself), it is interesting to reflect on the reality of what you did not believe, even if you were a true believer and would of died for the organization. Here is my list (not a complete list, I'm sure their is more). What is your list like?

144,000- Never believed it was literal

Heavenly resurrection occurred shortly after 1919

CountingTime- Never agreed

Toasting is wrong

Overlapping Generations

Russel is "messanger" spoken of in Malachi

Standing for National Anthem was wrong

Being a police officer will slow "spiritual progress"

Condemnation of beards

5 hour/ "low hour publisher"

Eulogies

Revelation Climax book- All those trumpet blast explanations!

Holding hands during prayer at KH was wrong

These are just a few I have reflected on. Why did I continue to trust these 7 tards?